Breaking the locks of "Bountygate."

dsrdsrdsr · 03-11-2012, 05:10 PM

Originally Posted by BGWhoDat

They were paid for interceptions and big hits, no different than college football with helmet stickers. They've admitted that and there's 0 wrong with it.

If you've read it specifically, you'll also note that I said EVERY NFL player hits with the intent to injure and opponent, make him fumble, rattle him, etc. If the hit is within the rules there's 0 wrong with that also.

Paid or not.

If you're paying someone lets say $2,000 for an unsportsmanlike conduct call, when you blasted a QB well past the play with a helmet to helmet shot, then there's something wrong with it. Then again, as I stated, the NFL would likely slap you with a suspension for games and a $20k fine.

There's ways of "injuring an opponent" within the whistles, which I'm okay with. If you know Adrian Peterson has a bummed knee, wouldn't you want to land every hit you could on that knee as a player? You're damn straight you would. Your coaches would even tell you too.

Why else do you think coaches tell you to hit a QB every chance you can?

The NFL has rules for a reason and as long as you follow those rules, whether you have the intent to injure or not, that's not your problem. You played within the whistles and rules of the NFL.

The only thing the Saints have done wrong is getting "paid for performance" which is against the CBA.

Does that clarify it?

Yes, I see all that - and I agree that there don't seem to have been all taht much of a difference in NO's play compared with other teams - but that isn't the whole point. The way the NFL sees it, especially as they're obsessed with player safety, is that your coaches were sending out players instructing them in so many words to deliberately injure opponents - and unless your coaches put a disclaimer in there specifically stating "but if you do it and get flagged you're out of the game" or some such disclaimer to ensure the players know foul play is frowned on, the BFL will assume it's encouraging foul play. And they'll hit you hard. Regardless of whether other teams are doing the same thing and aren't stupid enough to do it in writing.

Euphoria · 03-11-2012, 07:09 PM

Originally Posted by dsrdsrdsr

Yes, I see all that - and I agree that there don't seem to have been all taht much of a difference in NO's play compared with other teams - but that isn't the whole point. The way the NFL sees it, especially as they're obsessed with player safety, is that your coaches were sending out players instructing them in so many words to deliberately injure opponents - and unless your coaches put a disclaimer in there specifically stating "but if you do it and get flagged you're out of the game" or some such disclaimer to ensure the players know foul play is frowned on, the BFL will assume it's encouraging foul play. And they'll hit you hard. Regardless of whether other teams are doing the same thing and aren't stupid enough to do it in writing.

The point is you can't have an incentive program what so ever.

Forget the taking a player out or carting him off bounty's take all that out of the equation.

The Saints will still be GUILTY.

By the NFL/CBA rules... YOU CAN NOT HAVE AN INCENTIVE PROGRAM THAT REWARDS PLAYERS ON THEIR PERFORMANCE DURING A GAME.

The rule includes everything from a INT, A TD, A Fumble the rule is for ANYTHING. Players can't do it without team officials or with team officials. The Saints are way guilty of this.

BUT here is the kicker so is EVERY other team and most every player who has ever played the game if you listen to them on the ESPN panels they have had on this Everyone admitted especially Mike Golic.

03-11-2012, 05:10 PM	#1
dsrdsrdsr Registered Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 34	Originally Posted by BGWhoDat They were paid for interceptions and big hits, no different than college football with helmet stickers. They've admitted that and there's 0 wrong with it. If you've read it specifically, you'll also note that I said EVERY NFL player hits with the intent to injure and opponent, make him fumble, rattle him, etc. If the hit is within the rules there's 0 wrong with that also. Paid or not. If you're paying someone lets say $2,000 for an unsportsmanlike conduct call, when you blasted a QB well past the play with a helmet to helmet shot, then there's something wrong with it. Then again, as I stated, the NFL would likely slap you with a suspension for games and a $20k fine. There's ways of "injuring an opponent" within the whistles, which I'm okay with. If you know Adrian Peterson has a bummed knee, wouldn't you want to land every hit you could on that knee as a player? You're damn straight you would. Your coaches would even tell you too. Why else do you think coaches tell you to hit a QB every chance you can? The NFL has rules for a reason and as long as you follow those rules, whether you have the intent to injure or not, that's not your problem. You played within the whistles and rules of the NFL. The only thing the Saints have done wrong is getting "paid for performance" which is against the CBA. Does that clarify it? Yes, I see all that - and I agree that there don't seem to have been all taht much of a difference in NO's play compared with other teams - but that isn't the whole point. The way the NFL sees it, especially as they're obsessed with player safety, is that your coaches were sending out players instructing them in so many words to deliberately injure opponents - and unless your coaches put a disclaimer in there specifically stating "but if you do it and get flagged you're out of the game" or some such disclaimer to ensure the players know foul play is frowned on, the BFL will assume it's encouraging foul play. And they'll hit you hard. Regardless of whether other teams are doing the same thing and aren't stupid enough to do it in writing.
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03-11-2012, 07:09 PM	#2
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Originally Posted by dsrdsrdsr Yes, I see all that - and I agree that there don't seem to have been all taht much of a difference in NO's play compared with other teams - but that isn't the whole point. The way the NFL sees it, especially as they're obsessed with player safety, is that your coaches were sending out players instructing them in so many words to deliberately injure opponents - and unless your coaches put a disclaimer in there specifically stating "but if you do it and get flagged you're out of the game" or some such disclaimer to ensure the players know foul play is frowned on, the BFL will assume it's encouraging foul play. And they'll hit you hard. Regardless of whether other teams are doing the same thing and aren't stupid enough to do it in writing. The point is you can't have an incentive program what so ever. Forget the taking a player out or carting him off bounty's take all that out of the equation. The Saints will still be GUILTY. By the NFL/CBA rules... YOU CAN NOT HAVE AN INCENTIVE PROGRAM THAT REWARDS PLAYERS ON THEIR PERFORMANCE DURING A GAME. The rule includes everything from a INT, A TD, A Fumble the rule is for ANYTHING. Players can't do it without team officials or with team officials. The Saints are way guilty of this. BUT here is the kicker so is EVERY other team and most every player who has ever played the game if you listen to them on the ESPN panels they have had on this Everyone admitted especially Mike Golic. RockyMountainSaint and BGWhoDat like this.
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