Spagnuolo - Odd Man Out

darstep · 03-13-2012, 03:14 PM

With all of these high-end offensive contract negotiation and off the field issues, will Spagnuolo be expected to perform miracles with a rag-tag defense? After Brees, Colston, Nicks, will there be any dollars left for him to build a quality product that we can be proud of?

If, for whatever reason, we end up having to out score our opponent every week, I'm already prepared to give him a pass. Colton is done; Nicks and Brees are still hanging, along with a host of other FA contributors that could affect our continuity. I've got great respect for Spags abilitites, but he may end up with the same kind of "bend and don't break" middle of the road defense that GWilliams had to get creative with to have ANY kind of success at all. Maybe he can get the tackling grade up to about a B+. That should get us two games throughout the season.

I hope he is eyeing a few FA pieces that can come in and do some of the things he is visioning for this squad. Fundamentals are free, and avoiding self inflicted wounds can go a long way to positioning this new defense for success, whatever it ends up looking like. It would be a wonderful thing to see a 1st year pop in the defensive performance under his leadership. If it doesn't work out so well, here's my get out of jail free card, but it's the only one I've got.

papz · 03-13-2012, 03:20 PM

There's no get out of jail free card. Having all our offensive talent back actually helps keep the defense fresh.

Roman Harper - Pro Bowler
Malcolm Jenkins - Pro Bowl talent
Jabrari Greer - above average/solid corner
Patrick Robinson - solid corner
Junior Galette - DE with the freakish talent Spags look for
Will Smith - solid veteran
Jonathan Vilma - solid to above average when healthy
Martez Wilson - 3rd round pick that has flashed very good upside

There's plenty of talent here. He's not inheriting a bunch of losers and asked to perform a miracle. Also you don't have to spend big money to add quality free agents... we also have some draft picks in this upcoming draft too.

Jamessr · 03-13-2012, 06:56 PM

Originally Posted by papz

There's no get out of jail free card. Having all our offensive talent back actually helps keep the defense fresh.

Roman Harper - Pro Bowler
Malcolm Jenkins - Pro Bowl talent
Jabrari Greer - above average/solid corner
Patrick Robinson - solid corner
Junior Galette - DE with the freakish talent Spags look for
Will Smith - solid veteran
Jonathan Vilma - solid to above average when healthy
Martez Wilson - 3rd round pick that has flashed very good upside

There's plenty of talent here. He's not inheriting a bunch of losers and asked to perform a miracle. Also you don't have to spend big money to add quality free agents... we also have some draft picks in this upcoming draft too.

IMHO you have Jabrari Greer and Patrick Robinson reversed. Jabrari Greer is underrated.

|Mitch| · 03-13-2012, 06:59 PM

Don't forget about Johnny Patrick; I expect to see his talent emerge with the guidance of Flajole...

papz · 03-13-2012, 07:36 PM

Originally Posted by Jamessr

IMHO you have Jabrari Greer and Patrick Robinson reversed. Jabrari Greer is underrated.

Average|Solid|Above Average

Greer definitely is underrated around the league and the better player of the two right now.

Belair57 · 03-13-2012, 10:52 PM

[QUOTE=papz;386699]There's no get out of jail free card. Having all our offensive talent back actually helps keep the defense fresh.

Roman Harper - Pro Bowler
Malcolm Jenkins - Pro Bowl talent
Jabrari Greer - above average/solid corner
Patrick Robinson - solid corner
Junior Galette - DE with the freakish talent Spags look for
Will Smith - solid veteran
Jonathan Vilma - solid to above average when healthy
Martez Wilson - 3rd round pick that has flashed very good upside

WILL SMITH HAS DONE NOTHING..HE NEEDS TO GO

TheKillerBs · 03-14-2012, 12:56 AM

Originally Posted by Belair57

WILL SMITH HAS DONE A LOT FOR THIS TEAM..HE NEEDS MOTIVATION TO GET BACK TO WHERE HE WAS

Fixed

alleycat_126 · 03-14-2012, 01:26 AM

Originally Posted by papz

There's no get out of jail free card. Having all our offensive talent back actually helps keep the defense fresh.

Roman Harper - Pro Bowler ( not a coverage safety, hands of stone )
Malcolm Jenkins - Pro Bowl talent ( not a coverage safety, couldn't catch a cold )
Jabrari Greer - above average/solid corner ( better than solid, injured every season though.
Patrick Robinson - solid corner ( still taking lumps
Junior Galette - DE with the freakish talent Spags look for ( won't argue that)
Will Smith - solid veteran ( Needs to assume a lesser role.)
Jonathan Vilma - solid to above average when healthy. ( Key words, when healthy)
Martez Wilson - 3rd round pick that has flashed very good upside

( two real impact plays for an entire season does not make an all word LB can we see more production before he's annointed. )

Romeus - Raw, Spags can actually get something good from him this would be awesome

There's plenty of talent here. He's not inheriting a bunch of losers and asked to perform a miracle. Also you don't have to spend big money to add quality free agents... we also have some draft picks in this upcoming draft too.

If you take a good look you'll see that we really are in need of help. Plus, we don't know the impact of the upcoming penalties. Im with Darstep Sppags does get a pass this season. But, on the oft chance that he does make something out of this defense, he is already in my mind better than Greg Williams.

jcp026 · 03-13-2012, 03:22 PM

I don't think Galette has freakish anything. I hope he can be great, but I just expect ok. Wilson is the only freak we have on defense. He just has to learn the game.

papz · 03-13-2012, 03:30 PM

Originally Posted by jcp026

I don't think Galette has freakish anything. I hope he can be great, but I just expect ok. Wilson is the only freak we have on defense. He just has to learn the game.

Maybe raw athletic pass rusher would fit a bit better. Tomato tomatoe.

03-13-2012, 03:14 PM	#1
darstep SaintSince67 Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: PortCity Posts: 2,044	Spagnuolo - Odd Man Out With all of these high-end offensive contract negotiation and off the field issues, will Spagnuolo be expected to perform miracles with a rag-tag defense? After Brees, Colston, Nicks, will there be any dollars left for him to build a quality product that we can be proud of? If, for whatever reason, we end up having to out score our opponent every week, I'm already prepared to give him a pass. Colton is done; Nicks and Brees are still hanging, along with a host of other FA contributors that could affect our continuity. I've got great respect for Spags abilitites, but he may end up with the same kind of "bend and don't break" middle of the road defense that GWilliams had to get creative with to have ANY kind of success at all. Maybe he can get the tackling grade up to about a B+. That should get us two games throughout the season. I hope he is eyeing a few FA pieces that can come in and do some of the things he is visioning for this squad. Fundamentals are free, and avoiding self inflicted wounds can go a long way to positioning this new defense for success, whatever it ends up looking like. It would be a wonderful thing to see a 1st year pop in the defensive performance under his leadership. If it doesn't work out so well, here's my get out of jail free card, but it's the only one I've got. SapperSaint and jcp026 like this.
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03-13-2012, 03:20 PM	#2
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,768	There's no get out of jail free card. Having all our offensive talent back actually helps keep the defense fresh. Roman Harper - Pro Bowler Malcolm Jenkins - Pro Bowl talent Jabrari Greer - above average/solid corner Patrick Robinson - solid corner Junior Galette - DE with the freakish talent Spags look for Will Smith - solid veteran Jonathan Vilma - solid to above average when healthy Martez Wilson - 3rd round pick that has flashed very good upside There's plenty of talent here. He's not inheriting a bunch of losers and asked to perform a miracle. Also you don't have to spend big money to add quality free agents... we also have some draft picks in this upcoming draft too. Halo likes this.
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03-13-2012, 06:56 PM	#3
Jamessr 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Newport News, VA Posts: 1,583	Originally Posted by papz There's no get out of jail free card. Having all our offensive talent back actually helps keep the defense fresh. Roman Harper - Pro Bowler Malcolm Jenkins - Pro Bowl talent Jabrari Greer - above average/solid corner Patrick Robinson - solid corner Junior Galette - DE with the freakish talent Spags look for Will Smith - solid veteran Jonathan Vilma - solid to above average when healthy Martez Wilson - 3rd round pick that has flashed very good upside There's plenty of talent here. He's not inheriting a bunch of losers and asked to perform a miracle. Also you don't have to spend big money to add quality free agents... we also have some draft picks in this upcoming draft too. IMHO you have Jabrari Greer and Patrick Robinson reversed. Jabrari Greer is underrated.

03-13-2012, 07:36 PM	#5
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,768	Originally Posted by Jamessr IMHO you have Jabrari Greer and Patrick Robinson reversed. Jabrari Greer is underrated. Average\|Solid\|Above Average Greer definitely is underrated around the league and the better player of the two right now. SapperSaint and QBREES9 like this.

03-13-2012, 10:52 PM	#6
Belair57 500th Post Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 848	[QUOTE=papz;386699]There's no get out of jail free card. Having all our offensive talent back actually helps keep the defense fresh. Roman Harper - Pro Bowler Malcolm Jenkins - Pro Bowl talent Jabrari Greer - above average/solid corner Patrick Robinson - solid corner Junior Galette - DE with the freakish talent Spags look for Will Smith - solid veteran Jonathan Vilma - solid to above average when healthy Martez Wilson - 3rd round pick that has flashed very good upside WILL SMITH HAS DONE NOTHING..HE NEEDS TO GO
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03-13-2012, 06:59 PM	#4
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Don't forget about Johnny Patrick; I expect to see his talent emerge with the guidance of Flajole...

03-14-2012, 12:56 AM	#7
TheKillerBs Thread Killer Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Hammond, LA Posts: 366	Originally Posted by Belair57 WILL SMITH HAS DONE A LOT FOR THIS TEAM..HE NEEDS MOTIVATION TO GET BACK TO WHERE HE WAS Fixed FinSaint likes this.

03-14-2012, 01:26 AM	#8
alleycat_126 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Katy, Tx a suburb of Houston Posts: 2,089	Originally Posted by papz There's no get out of jail free card. Having all our offensive talent back actually helps keep the defense fresh. Roman Harper - Pro Bowler ( not a coverage safety, hands of stone ) Malcolm Jenkins - Pro Bowl talent ( not a coverage safety, couldn't catch a cold ) Jabrari Greer - above average/solid corner ( better than solid, injured every season though. Patrick Robinson - solid corner ( still taking lumps Junior Galette - DE with the freakish talent Spags look for ( won't argue that) Will Smith - solid veteran ( Needs to assume a lesser role.) Jonathan Vilma - solid to above average when healthy. ( Key words, when healthy) Martez Wilson - 3rd round pick that has flashed very good upside ( two real impact plays for an entire season does not make an all word LB can we see more production before he's annointed. ) Romeus - Raw, Spags can actually get something good from him this would be awesome There's plenty of talent here. He's not inheriting a bunch of losers and asked to perform a miracle. Also you don't have to spend big money to add quality free agents... we also have some draft picks in this upcoming draft too. If you take a good look you'll see that we really are in need of help. Plus, we don't know the impact of the upcoming penalties. Im with Darstep Sppags does get a pass this season. But, on the oft chance that he does make something out of this defense, he is already in my mind better than Greg Williams.

03-13-2012, 03:22 PM	#9
jcp026 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 952	I don't think Galette has freakish anything. I hope he can be great, but I just expect ok. Wilson is the only freak we have on defense. He just has to learn the game.
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03-13-2012, 03:30 PM	#10
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,768	Originally Posted by jcp026 I don't think Galette has freakish anything. I hope he can be great, but I just expect ok. Wilson is the only freak we have on defense. He just has to learn the game. Maybe raw athletic pass rusher would fit a bit better. Tomato tomatoe.

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