FA DT Brodrick Bunkley Visiting

CharityMike · 03-17-2012, 07:29 PM

Originally Posted by FinSaint

Oh, you mean Ellis.

I'd hardly call him a HOUSE at a (short) 6-1 and 307 lbs - maybe a condo?!

Im not talking about hight..ok..a condo. A swole condo though

The point being..big and swole for nothing!

FinSaint · 03-17-2012, 07:38 PM

But to be honest and also a stickler for details (something that my gf points out to me I am far too often), Ellis was evaluated as being an under-sized DT by scouts at the time of his entry to the draft.

gandhi1007 · 03-17-2012, 08:06 PM

Originally Posted by FinSaint

But to be honest and also a stickler for details (something that my gf points out to me I am far too often), Ellis was evaluated as being an under-sized DT by scouts at the time of his entry to the draft.

He was also the strongest DT in that year's draft if I remember right & heralded as a "workout warrior". It hasn't really translated on the field as a Saint, though.

CharityMike · 03-17-2012, 08:08 PM

Well actually... "Southern California DT Sedrick Ellis, considered one of the elite prospects in this month's NFL draft"- USA Today

He was only a inch shorter than Dorsey and weighed 12 pounds more.

"He was voted a unanimous All-American selection and the Pac-10 Defensive Player of the Year"

Like I said..big and swole for nutin

FinSaint · 03-17-2012, 08:51 PM

Yeah, well I don't know if he was more a product of the system or just over-hyped because of the whole USC and Carroll factor.

He was the best DT available like you said, but it just shows how all the evaluations in the world don't necessarily equate success on the NFL level, but it could be that the system(s) just weren't right for him to succeed.

I don't know, I had really high hopes for him, but it has never really materialized (yet).

Althoug, NFLDraftScout had Dorsey ranked in front of him:

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings...xpos&order=ASC

jeanpierre · 03-18-2012, 11:02 AM

Originally Posted by papz

Don't know how to feel either... he's been quite the underachiever throughout his career. He should have been a dominating DT.

His skill set has been better suited for college; however, Spagnuolo has traditionally used four down lineman to all get to the backfield as opposed to these really big behemoths who occupy space allowing another player to break in...

So he may do well here...

And he'd give the same production as Ellis with probably a better cap number

voodooido · 03-18-2012, 12:28 PM

Ellis needs cut or needs to restructure. No way he is worth 7.757 this year. MAYBE 3.5. Also Vilma (6.6) and Harper ( 6.25) need to be reworked. Taht alone would sign Brees and Lofton.

voodooido · 03-18-2012, 12:31 PM

and dont get me started on Bushrods 6.750 cap hit!

FinSaint · 03-18-2012, 02:01 PM

Originally Posted by voodooido

and dont get me started on Bushrods 6.750 cap hit!

Well, that is not so high when we are talking about LT money, and having two guards in the O-line making more than the LT is unheard of really.

The question is, do they want Bushrod to be a Saint beyond next season?

I they do, then they could try to restructure with an extension, but if not, then the existing contract is fine.

voodooido · 03-18-2012, 02:21 PM

Originally Posted by FinSaint

Well, that is not so high when we are talking about LT money, and having two guards in the O-line making more than the LT is unheard of really.

The question is, do they want Bushrod to be a Saint beyond next season?

I they do, then they could try to restructure with an extension, but if not, then the existing contract is fine.

I think Brown could take over at LT and his cap hit is around 745K. They have got to make room somewhere. Because they waited to sign Brees I think his price went up after CJ and now Mannings numbers.

03-17-2012, 07:29 PM	#21
CharityMike Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Mid City, New Orleans Posts: 3,556	Originally Posted by FinSaint Oh, you mean Ellis. I'd hardly call him a HOUSE at a (short) 6-1 and 307 lbs - maybe a condo?! Im not talking about hight..ok..a condo. A swole condo though The point being..big and swole for nothing! FinSaint likes this.

03-17-2012, 08:06 PM	#23
gandhi1007 Part Time Pimp Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,967	Originally Posted by FinSaint But to be honest and also a stickler for details (something that my gf points out to me I am far too often), Ellis was evaluated as being an under-sized DT by scouts at the time of his entry to the draft. He was also the strongest DT in that year's draft if I remember right & heralded as a "workout warrior". It hasn't really translated on the field as a Saint, though.

03-17-2012, 08:51 PM	#25
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,961	Yeah, well I don't know if he was more a product of the system or just over-hyped because of the whole USC and Carroll factor. He was the best DT available like you said, but it just shows how all the evaluations in the world don't necessarily equate success on the NFL level, but it could be that the system(s) just weren't right for him to succeed. I don't know, I had really high hopes for him, but it has never really materialized (yet). Althoug, NFLDraftScout had Dorsey ranked in front of him: http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings...xpos&order=ASC
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03-18-2012, 11:02 AM	#26
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Originally Posted by papz Don't know how to feel either... he's been quite the underachiever throughout his career. He should have been a dominating DT. His skill set has been better suited for college; however, Spagnuolo has traditionally used four down lineman to all get to the backfield as opposed to these really big behemoths who occupy space allowing another player to break in... So he may do well here... And he'd give the same production as Ellis with probably a better cap number

03-18-2012, 12:28 PM	#27
voodooido 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2,766	Ellis needs cut or needs to restructure. No way he is worth 7.757 this year. MAYBE 3.5. Also Vilma (6.6) and Harper ( 6.25) need to be reworked. Taht alone would sign Brees and Lofton.
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03-17-2012, 07:38 PM	#22
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,961	But to be honest and also a stickler for details (something that my gf points out to me I am far too often), Ellis was evaluated as being an under-sized DT by scouts at the time of his entry to the draft.

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CharityMike Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Mid City, New Orleans Posts: 3,556	Well actually... "Southern California DT Sedrick Ellis, considered one of the elite prospects in this month's NFL draft"- USA Today He was only a inch shorter than Dorsey and weighed 12 pounds more. "He was voted a unanimous All-American selection and the Pac-10 Defensive Player of the Year" Like I said..big and swole for nutin

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voodooido 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2,766	and dont get me started on Bushrods 6.750 cap hit!
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03-18-2012, 02:01 PM	#29
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,961	Originally Posted by voodooido and dont get me started on Bushrods 6.750 cap hit! Well, that is not so high when we are talking about LT money, and having two guards in the O-line making more than the LT is unheard of really. The question is, do they want Bushrod to be a Saint beyond next season? I they do, then they could try to restructure with an extension, but if not, then the existing contract is fine.

03-18-2012, 02:21 PM	#30
voodooido 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2,766	Originally Posted by FinSaint Well, that is not so high when we are talking about LT money, and having two guards in the O-line making more than the LT is unheard of really. The question is, do they want Bushrod to be a Saint beyond next season? I they do, then they could try to restructure with an extension, but if not, then the existing contract is fine. I think Brown could take over at LT and his cap hit is around 745K. They have got to make room somewhere. Because they waited to sign Brees I think his price went up after CJ and now Mannings numbers.
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