OK I will start the obligatory "What do you predict our record to be next year" thread

alleycat_126 · 03-20-2012, 04:05 PM

Bounty gate stiffles us 11-5

ScottF · 03-20-2012, 05:20 PM

Originally Posted by st thomas

i don't see us losing picks there might have been a bountygate but theres no proof of intentional harm on tape. it has to be suspension of coach payton only. it should not punish organization, which is owned by benson which knew nothing about G.W'S SCHEME. that could'nt buy a sack seems like.

Benson did know, and told Loomis to stop. And if Goodell has a 5000 page document on the investigation, there is definitely a record of 'reward to harm'

CharityMike · 03-20-2012, 06:24 PM

Originally Posted by ScottF

Benson did know, and told Loomis to stop. And if Goodell has a 5000 page document on the investigation, there is definitely a record of 'reward to harm'

Thats where you are dead wrong. They have a record of us paying players incentives, which is against the CBA. Two of those incentives were to harm another player. Unless they have proof of that actually happening, all they got is a violation of CBA. They have to be able to prove "intent", which would be impossible. Incase you haven't noticed, football is a rough game.

ScottF · 03-20-2012, 07:59 PM

How am I 'dead wrong' ?? You wrote:
They have a record of us paying players incentives, which is against the CBA. Two of those incentives were to harm another player.
sounds to me like you are arguing against your own point

alexonfyre · 03-20-2012, 08:01 PM

Originally Posted by CharityMike

Thats where you are dead wrong. They have a record of us paying players incentives, which is against the CBA. Two of those incentives were to harm another player. Unless they have proof of that actually happening, all they got is a violation of CBA. They have to be able to prove "intent", which would be impossible. Incase you haven't noticed, football is a rough game.

Or as I said before, they could have hard evidence of cash incentives and then circumstantial evidence of the injury incentives, and then chose to loop them all together. Also, just because there is 50,000 pages of email documentation doesn't mean there aren't 49,500 lunch plans, political/scientific hoaxes, and cat pictures.

subguy · 03-21-2012, 03:50 AM

Originally Posted by xan

I think this year goes backwards. 6-10.

1-5 in division, we beat kc, oak, sd and GMEN.

Going backwards fast. Brees' salary and limited cap room hoses us for two years. No draft picks, no meaningful FA signings and injuries kill us.

Thanks Xan for that positive, glass is half full ray of sunshine

thefifthwall · 03-21-2012, 10:33 AM

I see improvement coming
Bountygate could lite the fire that is needed
19-0

SaintsBro · 03-21-2012, 11:16 AM

Originally Posted by alexonfyre

Also, just because there is 50,000 pages of email documentation doesn't mean there aren't 49,500 lunch plans, political/scientific hoaxes, and cat pictures.

This needs to be "quoted for truth" and said AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN -- the ridiculous amount of pages and emails that the league says they looked at, only means that they asked for everything and the Saints gave them everything. They include that info to make it *sound* like the investigation was thorough, or that they have more evidence than they really have. That part of it is a ploy, and nothing more. The actual memo that was circulated to the teams was four pages long. The huge number of pages/emails they claim they reviewed as "evidence" is what they LOOKED AT, not all of it is related to the Gregg Williams bountygate. This is the kind of thing that prosecutors and lawyers do all the time. People need to get that straight.

03-20-2012, 05:20 PM	#32
ScottF 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 6,324	Originally Posted by st thomas i don't see us losing picks there might have been a bountygate but theres no proof of intentional harm on tape. it has to be suspension of coach payton only. it should not punish organization, which is owned by benson which knew nothing about G.W'S SCHEME. that could'nt buy a sack seems like. Benson did know, and told Loomis to stop. And if Goodell has a 5000 page document on the investigation, there is definitely a record of 'reward to harm'

03-20-2012, 06:24 PM	#33
CharityMike Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Mid City, New Orleans Posts: 3,556	Originally Posted by ScottF Benson did know, and told Loomis to stop. And if Goodell has a 5000 page document on the investigation, there is definitely a record of 'reward to harm' Thats where you are dead wrong. They have a record of us paying players incentives, which is against the CBA. Two of those incentives were to harm another player. Unless they have proof of that actually happening, all they got is a violation of CBA. They have to be able to prove "intent", which would be impossible. Incase you haven't noticed, football is a rough game.

03-20-2012, 08:01 PM	#35
alexonfyre Site Donor Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Black Pearl University Posts: 799	Originally Posted by CharityMike Thats where you are dead wrong. They have a record of us paying players incentives, which is against the CBA. Two of those incentives were to harm another player. Unless they have proof of that actually happening, all they got is a violation of CBA. They have to be able to prove "intent", which would be impossible. Incase you haven't noticed, football is a rough game. Or as I said before, they could have hard evidence of cash incentives and then circumstantial evidence of the injury incentives, and then chose to loop them all together. Also, just because there is 50,000 pages of email documentation doesn't mean there aren't 49,500 lunch plans, political/scientific hoaxes, and cat pictures.

03-21-2012, 03:50 AM	#36
subguy 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: FL Posts: 2,096	Originally Posted by xan I think this year goes backwards. 6-10. 1-5 in division, we beat kc, oak, sd and GMEN. Going backwards fast. Brees' salary and limited cap room hoses us for two years. No draft picks, no meaningful FA signings and injuries kill us. Thanks Xan for that positive, glass is half full ray of sunshine

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03-20-2012, 07:59 PM	#34
ScottF 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 6,324	How am I 'dead wrong' ?? You wrote: They have a record of us paying players incentives, which is against the CBA. Two of those incentives were to harm another player. sounds to me like you are arguing against your own point

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SaintsBro Site Donor Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: in line with my ridiculous CLEAR PLASTIC BAG Posts: 3,650 Blog Entries: 3	Originally Posted by alexonfyre Also, just because there is 50,000 pages of email documentation doesn't mean there aren't 49,500 lunch plans, political/scientific hoaxes, and cat pictures. This needs to be "quoted for truth" and said AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN -- the ridiculous amount of pages and emails that the league says they looked at, only means that they asked for everything and the Saints gave them everything. They include that info to make it sound like the investigation was thorough, or that they have more evidence than they really have. That part of it is a ploy, and nothing more. The actual memo that was circulated to the teams was four pages long. The huge number of pages/emails they claim they reviewed as "evidence" is what they LOOKED AT, not all of it is related to the Gregg Williams bountygate. This is the kind of thing that prosecutors and lawyers do all the time. People need to get that straight.

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