what did Payton lie about?

saintfan · 03-31-2012, 04:24 PM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

You're splitting hairs here guys. He said they would end the bounty program and they didn't. Then he admitted that to Goodell. Hasn't it already been made pretty clear that Payton and Loomis lied to Benson. Let it go.

The hell we are. Find me a quote where Sean admits it to Goodell. I apologize in advance if you can find it, but I haven't seen that.

Now, I've read a lot of writers saying as much, but that's hardly proof that Sean lied to Goodell. Greg Williams lied and acknowledged it. Vitt did too. I've yet to read anything of the sort related to Sean.

According to the leagues report, Goodell is hacked off at Sean for making "a cursory attempt" to stop it. To me, that means Roger doesn't think Sean did enough. Please let me know if you have more information.

Speedy Ron · 03-31-2012, 09:18 PM

exactly what i thought...no one knows if he lied for a fact. all i knew was that he didnt do enough to stop it

saintfan · 03-31-2012, 10:26 PM

Originally Posted by Speedy Ron

exactly what i thought...no one knows if he lied for a fact. all i knew was that he didnt do enough to stop it

Which just makes the whole thing more maddening because we are being told the severity of the punishment is because he 'lied' and 'covered it up', but I haven't found anything that he did either, only that in Roger's opinion he didn't do enough.

st thomas · 03-31-2012, 09:54 PM

payton did not lie evidently, he is appealing if that means anything. is he going to admit he lied now ? for a lighter sentence, ala pete rose saga

RaginCajun83 · 03-31-2012, 11:22 PM

Goddell is the one that's lying, sure Payton might have covered the bounty thing up but every time Goddell opens his mouth about player safety he's lying through his teeth, if he cared so much about player safety why does he push an 18 game season every chance he gets ..... he's in it for the all mighty dollar and to cover his rear in the PR nightmare that's coming when the 500 plus ex players sue the NFL

The Dude · 04-01-2012, 12:11 AM

First of all how in the hell do you have 50k pages about the bounty program. Seriously that seems ridiculous. They must have been texting like little school girls.

|Mitch| · 04-01-2012, 12:30 AM

the 50K pages were the teams total e-mail correspondence for the time, I speculate 10% or less of that 50K had anything to do with bounties...

saintfan · 04-01-2012, 11:38 AM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

the 50K pages were the teams total e-mail correspondence for the time, I speculate 10% or less of that 50K had anything to do with bounties...

Right - but the media keeps saying over and over there are 50 thousand 'pages of evidence'. It is understanding that people would think all this crazy stuff because the media representation has been such crap.

SaintsBro · 04-02-2012, 06:48 PM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

the 50K pages were the teams total e-mail correspondence for the time, I speculate 10% or less of that 50K had anything to do with bounties...

Way less. WAY less than 10% had anything to do with bounties. The league is talking about 1 or 2 emails and 2 or 3 power point slides out of the 50K pages of documents that they looked at. Specifically the one email from Ornstein before the Packers game, and 2 or 3 power point slides from team meetings that referenced the "cart offs" or "bring out the John Deere" or whatever it was. All of which could easily have been tongue in cheek, or skating the line.

Of course they say it was 50K pages of "evidence" and that "forensic experts" were consulted, to make their case sound more solid or more extensive than it really is.

Marlboro Man · 04-01-2012, 12:29 PM

Us serfs don't need to know. Comrade Goodell said he did and that's all we need to know. Zieg Hiel, comrade Goodell.

03-31-2012, 04:24 PM	#1
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Originally Posted by ChrisXVI You're splitting hairs here guys. He said they would end the bounty program and they didn't. Then he admitted that to Goodell. Hasn't it already been made pretty clear that Payton and Loomis lied to Benson. Let it go. The hell we are. Find me a quote where Sean admits it to Goodell. I apologize in advance if you can find it, but I haven't seen that. Now, I've read a lot of writers saying as much, but that's hardly proof that Sean lied to Goodell. Greg Williams lied and acknowledged it. Vitt did too. I've yet to read anything of the sort related to Sean. According to the leagues report, Goodell is hacked off at Sean for making "a cursory attempt" to stop it. To me, that means Roger doesn't think Sean did enough. Please let me know if you have more information.
	C'mon Man...

03-31-2012, 10:26 PM	#3
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Originally Posted by Speedy Ron exactly what i thought...no one knows if he lied for a fact. all i knew was that he didnt do enough to stop it Which just makes the whole thing more maddening because we are being told the severity of the punishment is because he 'lied' and 'covered it up', but I haven't found anything that he did either, only that in Roger's opinion he didn't do enough.

04-01-2012, 12:11 AM	#6
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,064	First of all how in the hell do you have 50k pages about the bounty program. Seriously that seems ridiculous. They must have been texting like little school girls.
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04-01-2012, 11:38 AM	#8
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| the 50K pages were the teams total e-mail correspondence for the time, I speculate 10% or less of that 50K had anything to do with bounties... Right - but the media keeps saying over and over there are 50 thousand 'pages of evidence'. It is understanding that people would think all this crazy stuff because the media representation has been such crap.

04-02-2012, 06:48 PM	#9
SaintsBro Site Donor Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: in line with my ridiculous CLEAR PLASTIC BAG Posts: 3,650 Blog Entries: 3	Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| the 50K pages were the teams total e-mail correspondence for the time, I speculate 10% or less of that 50K had anything to do with bounties... Way less. WAY less than 10% had anything to do with bounties. The league is talking about 1 or 2 emails and 2 or 3 power point slides out of the 50K pages of documents that they looked at. Specifically the one email from Ornstein before the Packers game, and 2 or 3 power point slides from team meetings that referenced the "cart offs" or "bring out the John Deere" or whatever it was. All of which could easily have been tongue in cheek, or skating the line. Of course they say it was 50K pages of "evidence" and that "forensic experts" were consulted, to make their case sound more solid or more extensive than it really is.

03-31-2012, 09:18 PM	#2
Speedy Ron I'm an A hole Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Metry Posts: 1,173	exactly what i thought...no one knows if he lied for a fact. all i knew was that he didnt do enough to stop it

03-31-2012, 09:54 PM	#4
st thomas Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: lafayette Posts: 7,753	payton did not lie evidently, he is appealing if that means anything. is he going to admit he lied now ? for a lighter sentence, ala pete rose saga

03-31-2012, 11:22 PM	#5
RaginCajun83 Hou Saints Fan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Houston, Tx Posts: 5,050	Goddell is the one that's lying, sure Payton might have covered the bounty thing up but every time Goddell opens his mouth about player safety he's lying through his teeth, if he cared so much about player safety why does he push an 18 game season every chance he gets ..... he's in it for the all mighty dollar and to cover his rear in the PR nightmare that's coming when the 500 plus ex players sue the NFL

04-01-2012, 12:30 AM	#7
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	the 50K pages were the teams total e-mail correspondence for the time, I speculate 10% or less of that 50K had anything to do with bounties...

04-01-2012, 12:29 PM	#10
Marlboro Man 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,469	Us serfs don't need to know. Comrade Goodell said he did and that's all we need to know. Zieg Hiel, comrade Goodell.

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