PatMcIrish

Link please!

Still don't think the "well everyone else is doing it" is much of an excuse but let's see that blatant evidence you're talking about.

Brandon428

Did Giants Strategically Concuss Kyle Williams? -- The Sports Section

jokeray

going after injured players is NOT the same as a team paying their players BONUS' for injuring players.

It's one thing for players to do it, it's another thing for a team to endorse it/pay their players for doing it.

Not trying to start a fight, just voicing my opinion that it's NOT the same thing.

SaintsRule11

What on earth are you talking about? It's completely obvious from the context of the article that this was a strategy that was talked about IN TEAM MEETINGS of the Giants. This was a strategy that was pursued by the coaches. And by the way, Tim Hasslebeck said this on Twitter yesterday: "...speeches like that can be heard across the league. sounds brutal outside the boundaries of a teams facility, but it's the standard."

And also this:

"...in light (of) the gregg williams audio. i don't think i was ever on a team where a coach didn't mention an opposing players injury. #reality"

Supertek

This whole thing is just screwed up. The Saints got theirs but I wish someone else would take their hits too. There has to be penalities for others otherwish Goodell is disgraced.

OldMaid

No jokeray, both are the same in that both are wrong. Wrong. Immoral. Not part of this sport.


Goodell wants to put player safety first.
great. NFL has some lawsuits against it for severe injuries , concussions , by past players.

Well, the NFL is not protecting themselves by being so severe with Saints' punishments.
As if former players' atty's, insurance companies will look at this Giants ' record in print. Other teams bounty talk that is out there on record.

This was a very good effort and great bandaid by Goodell.
You know what happens to bandaids.

PatMcIrish

I keep hearing you guys asking penalties for others, who else has been taped and up against this kind of clear evidence? If it's out there you're absolutely right, they should be punished as well.

And FTR I agree about Goodell, not sure what he is thinking sometime. The Pats should have gotten a lot more than they did. But in the end none of that is relevant, what you guys did was wrong and frankly I'm shocked so many of you are okay with it.

I'm a Bucs fan first, like the Saints 2nd, but I remember when Sapp kicked someone in the head. I pissed everyone on the Bucs board off for jumping on but I knew he did it on purpose. The old "accidently" kick the QB in the head as you pretend to try and step over the pile.

I guess we're all different, to me as a Saint fan or not I'd be outraged at what my boys were doing. There's no excuse for that kind of crap, but since it's your team most are giving a pass.

UK_WhoDat

Similarly, where is the clear evidence that Saints players did actually play with the intention to maim etc (regardless what Gregg Williams was or was not instructing). And by extension where is the clear evidence that the Saints Head Coach and The Sants General Manager sanctioned or even knew of a "plan" to maim?

AsylumGuido

Still waiting for an answer, Pat.

Tobias-Reiper

Ever seen the movie 12 Angry Men? The "I kill ya" scene? No? Check it out.. great movie...

Since you are so big on "clear evidence", could you please show us the clear evidence of any Saints player doing what Gregg Williams asked them to do in that game? Because what I remember from that game, is the Whiners putting the hurt on the Saints, not the other way around. Maybe the Whiners pay better bounties... they have a history of handing out envelopes with cash in them..

Heck, one could argue, the 2010 and 2011 defenses were so bad, it probably was because the Saints refused to do what Williams asked them to do: How come they didn't take out Marshawn Lynch? How come Smith, and Davis, and Crabtree were there with 1 and a half minutes to go in the game, and looked very healthy slicing and dicing the Saints defense?

And please, stop it with this "The Saints are the only ones doing it because we have no evidence to the contrary". Either you are trying to provoke people, or you really don't know the game you watch. Oh, and I am pretty sure NFL Films has some good material as far as locker room speeches go (or maybe had, and have been busy destroying it to prevent it from being used against them in current and upcoming lawsuits... the NFL has a history of conveniently destroying evidence too)

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