Aren't Intentions Measured by Results?

TheDeuce · 04-10-2012, 04:12 PM

I actually really appreciate the title of this thread and would like to know if anybody out there has really "nerded it up" by compiling things like number of personal fouls/roughing the QB/late hits/etc, injuries caused etc for every team in th NFL over the last three seasons and comparing the Saints with the rest of the league. My impression of watching our boys and watching other NFL games is that we would be far below teams like the Steelers, Titans, and others. Which, if true, raises the question: who cares about a "bounty" program if it didn't result in more injuries/penalties/etc? What if it was a motivational tool and not really an actual program?

SaintsBro · 04-10-2012, 04:22 PM

Originally Posted by TheDeuce

I actually really appreciate the title of this thread and would like to know if anybody out there has really "nerded it up" by compiling things like number of personal fouls/roughing the QB/late hits/etc, injuries caused etc for every team in th NFL over the last three seasons and comparing the Saints with the rest of the league.

Deuce, it's all right here, the Wall Street Journal already reviewed every regular- and postseason Saints game since 2009, and it's an interesting read:

"Little Booty in Saints' Bounties: A Study of Game Film Shows There Weren't That Many Knockout Hits"
The Bounty Investigation: Saints' Bounties Produced Little Booty - WSJ.com

Rugby Saint II · 04-10-2012, 11:04 PM

I think the key word here is "intent".

Rickh · 04-11-2012, 09:52 AM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

I think the key word here is "intent".

You can't prove players intent. They have tape of what Williams said. As far as what happened on the field, there is really nothing out of the ordinary. The Saints were very middle of the pack when it came to penalties.

The success of this team has very very little to do with what happened on Defense. This goes to show that if Williams would have put a little more effort into solid tackling, technique and proper scheme and less effort into "take his head off" crap, we might have two Superbowls, or even three by now.

UK_WhoDat · 04-12-2012, 07:01 AM

Originally Posted by WhoDat!656

The Saints were flagged a lot for roughing the passer, late hits, etc, but that was mainly because of all the blitzing the Saints did.

BUT critically the Saints were far from the worst in any of the last 3 years or the sum of the 3 years.

Where to now?

UK_WhoDat · 04-12-2012, 07:07 AM

I am wondering.

When will the NFL thought police start fining trash talkers?

04-10-2012, 04:12 PM	#21
TheDeuce 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,928	I actually really appreciate the title of this thread and would like to know if anybody out there has really "nerded it up" by compiling things like number of personal fouls/roughing the QB/late hits/etc, injuries caused etc for every team in th NFL over the last three seasons and comparing the Saints with the rest of the league. My impression of watching our boys and watching other NFL games is that we would be far below teams like the Steelers, Titans, and others. Which, if true, raises the question: who cares about a "bounty" program if it didn't result in more injuries/penalties/etc? What if it was a motivational tool and not really an actual program?
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04-10-2012, 04:22 PM	#22
SaintsBro Site Donor Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: in line with my ridiculous CLEAR PLASTIC BAG Posts: 3,650 Blog Entries: 3	Originally Posted by TheDeuce I actually really appreciate the title of this thread and would like to know if anybody out there has really "nerded it up" by compiling things like number of personal fouls/roughing the QB/late hits/etc, injuries caused etc for every team in th NFL over the last three seasons and comparing the Saints with the rest of the league. Deuce, it's all right here, the Wall Street Journal already reviewed every regular- and postseason Saints game since 2009, and it's an interesting read: "Little Booty in Saints' Bounties: A Study of Game Film Shows There Weren't That Many Knockout Hits" The Bounty Investigation: Saints' Bounties Produced Little Booty - WSJ.com

04-11-2012, 09:52 AM	#24
Rickh Not here 2agree Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Katy, TX Posts: 712	Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II I think the key word here is "intent". You can't prove players intent. They have tape of what Williams said. As far as what happened on the field, there is really nothing out of the ordinary. The Saints were very middle of the pack when it came to penalties. The success of this team has very very little to do with what happened on Defense. This goes to show that if Williams would have put a little more effort into solid tackling, technique and proper scheme and less effort into "take his head off" crap, we might have two Superbowls, or even three by now.

04-12-2012, 07:01 AM	#25
UK_WhoDat 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Wherever I lay my hat Posts: 3,947	Originally Posted by WhoDat!656 The Saints were flagged a lot for roughing the passer, late hits, etc, but that was mainly because of all the blitzing the Saints did. BUT critically the Saints were far from the worst in any of the last 3 years or the sum of the 3 years. Where to now?

04-12-2012, 07:07 AM	#26
UK_WhoDat 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Wherever I lay my hat Posts: 3,947	I am wondering. When will the NFL thought police start fining trash talkers? Danno likes this.

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04-10-2012, 11:04 PM	#23
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,052	I think the key word here is "intent".