Brees "close" to signing long-term deal.

dizzle88 · 04-13-2012, 08:54 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

Benson to Brees: "Say Drew, can you play point guard too??"

Brees to Benson: " Only if you load the first 3 years of the contract with 26 million a year.....but I'll still probably turn it down because Condon told me to......."

W. Kovacs · 04-13-2012, 11:49 PM

Originally Posted by spkb25

Im gonna lose a lot of respect for him if he doesn't show up. plain and simple. I'll support him when he gets back, but I think I'll look at him a little differently from here on out

I sort of agreed with you until this morning. On SportsCenter or NFL Network (I was in a hotel, not really sure which I was watching) they showed the tackle where Brees blew out his shoulder.

As someone who has had his shoulder reconstructed and is desperately trying to avoid the same surgery on the other side, I nearly vomited it looked so bad.

I know that playing under the tag had nothing to do with the injury. I also know that playing under the tag now does nothing to increase the odds that he'll have an injury like that again. But if that happened to me the last time I played under a tag, I'd say thanks, but no thanks. (If I was Drew, I mean. If someone offered me $14mm a year to play football right now, I'd be the tackling dummy for that much cash!)

This is also his last chance to get a huge contract. If he signs the tag, he can't hold out any more because he'll be under contract to play. If he gets injured in the weight room at an offseason practice and can't play again, he's effed.

Also, these activities are VERY limited. Weight lifting, conditioning, stuff like that. Coaches can't be on the fields with players, they're not even allowed to use footballs in most workouts!

Real OTAs start next month.

And let's not forget to take into account that The Saints aren't exactly without fault, here. They could have signed Drew to a long term extension before he went out and had arguably, the best year a QB ever had and jacked up his price. Or they could have signed him as soon as they heard stuff was coming down about the Bounty Scandal and Drew's leverage went through the roof. They did neither.

Imagine your job and the following scenario:
1. You've been doing your job exceptionally well for the last 5 years.
2. There is no one available internally or externally who can do your job as well as you.
3. There is a HUGE project coming up where you're expertise is vital.
4. It's annual review time and there are other companies who would practically kill to have you on their staff.

Are you not going to do everything in your power to negotiate the best raise you possibly can?

Would I think MORE highly of him if he went? Probably. But if he doesn't: no big deal...

Srgt. Hulka · 04-14-2012, 12:09 AM

I hate to be a downer, but he's been close to signing a deal for a year now. I'll believe he's close to signing a deal when there's ink on the paper...even then I'll be a little sceptacle.

dueceloose · 04-14-2012, 01:17 AM

Them being "close" isnt close enough.

|Mitch| · 04-14-2012, 01:22 AM

I agree Sarge! I hear they're close to signing one week and then the next they're not even close, depending on who you're listening to.

I'm not getting my hopes up until Drew puts ink to paper...

FinSaint · 04-14-2012, 02:41 AM

Originally Posted by W. Kovacs

And let's not forget to take into account that The Saints aren't exactly without fault, here. They could have signed Drew to a long term extension before he went out and had arguably, the best year a QB ever had and jacked up his price. Or they could have signed him as soon as they heard stuff was coming down about the Bounty Scandal and Drew's leverage went through the roof. They did neither.

And let us not forget that they tried to do exactly that after the 2010 season, but Brees' side turned their offer down, which according to many reports was a very lucrative offer.

MatthewT · 04-14-2012, 05:15 AM

All I have to say is Brees has already been offered a contract that would have made him the highest paid person in the NFL. There comes a point when an organization has to throw up their hands and be done with it. I am not suggesting that the Saints should throw up their hand at this point, but seriously, it is getting very close to that point. It looks like Benson is now involved, so we can pretty much assure he will get his 23 mil per year contract.

Drew Brees is definitely an elite QB, but seriously, not at the expense of the supporting crew. Having the best QB in the NFL is not a good thing. Having an up and coming guy who can win games is what you want. Brees at this point is a proven veteran, could seriously sink the Saints into 8-8 type of years for a long time.

Marlboro Man · 04-14-2012, 06:27 AM

Are we there yet? No. Call me when he signs the rest is just talk that I'm tired of hearing.

QBREES9 · 04-14-2012, 05:09 PM

I have faith they'll get in done. Sunday night.

Budsdrinker · 04-16-2012, 05:06 PM

Originally Posted by W. Kovacs

I sort of agreed with you until this morning. On SportsCenter or NFL Network (I was in a hotel, not really sure which I was watching) they showed the tackle where Brees blew out his shoulder.

As someone who has had his shoulder reconstructed and is desperately trying to avoid the same surgery on the other side, I nearly vomited it looked so bad.

I know that playing under the tag had nothing to do with the injury. I also know that playing under the tag now does nothing to increase the odds that he'll have an injury like that again. But if that happened to me the last time I played under a tag, I'd say thanks, but no thanks. (If I was Drew, I mean. If someone offered me $14mm a year to play football right now, I'd be the tackling dummy for that much cash!)

This is also his last chance to get a huge contract. If he signs the tag, he can't hold out any more because he'll be under contract to play. If he gets injured in the weight room at an offseason practice and can't play again, he's effed.

Also, these activities are VERY limited. Weight lifting, conditioning, stuff like that. Coaches can't be on the fields with players, they're not even allowed to use footballs in most workouts!

Real OTAs start next month.

And let's not forget to take into account that The Saints aren't exactly without fault, here. They could have signed Drew to a long term extension before he went out and had arguably, the best year a QB ever had and jacked up his price. Or they could have signed him as soon as they heard stuff was coming down about the Bounty Scandal and Drew's leverage went through the roof. They did neither.

Imagine your job and the following scenario:
1. You've been doing your job exceptionally well for the last 5 years.
2. There is no one available internally or externally who can do your job as well as you.
3. There is a HUGE project coming up where you're expertise is vital.
4. It's annual review time and there are other companies who would practically kill to have you on their staff.

Are you not going to do everything in your power to negotiate the best raise you possibly can?

Would I think MORE highly of him if he went? Probably. But if he doesn't: no big deal...

The problem I have with this way of thinking and I believe Danno brought this up before is that what was the difference in playing in 2011 when that was the last year of your contract vs this year under a franchise tag? In both cases it's a 1 year deal and you can't play the game worried about being injured. And I'm sure even if Drew has a 5 year deal, that there is some type of injury clause that voids the life of the contract or a buyout clause. So his using the last time he played under the tag, he was injured and it didn't go well for him doesn't fly in my book.

04-13-2012, 08:54 PM	#21
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,208	Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 Benson to Brees: "Say Drew, can you play point guard too??" Brees to Benson: " Only if you load the first 3 years of the contract with 26 million a year.....but I'll still probably turn it down because Condon told me to......."

04-13-2012, 11:49 PM	#22
W. Kovacs 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Milwaukee, WI Posts: 514	Originally Posted by spkb25 Im gonna lose a lot of respect for him if he doesn't show up. plain and simple. I'll support him when he gets back, but I think I'll look at him a little differently from here on out I sort of agreed with you until this morning. On SportsCenter or NFL Network (I was in a hotel, not really sure which I was watching) they showed the tackle where Brees blew out his shoulder. As someone who has had his shoulder reconstructed and is desperately trying to avoid the same surgery on the other side, I nearly vomited it looked so bad. I know that playing under the tag had nothing to do with the injury. I also know that playing under the tag now does nothing to increase the odds that he'll have an injury like that again. But if that happened to me the last time I played under a tag, I'd say thanks, but no thanks. (If I was Drew, I mean. If someone offered me $14mm a year to play football right now, I'd be the tackling dummy for that much cash!) This is also his last chance to get a huge contract. If he signs the tag, he can't hold out any more because he'll be under contract to play. If he gets injured in the weight room at an offseason practice and can't play again, he's effed. Also, these activities are VERY limited. Weight lifting, conditioning, stuff like that. Coaches can't be on the fields with players, they're not even allowed to use footballs in most workouts! Real OTAs start next month. And let's not forget to take into account that The Saints aren't exactly without fault, here. They could have signed Drew to a long term extension before he went out and had arguably, the best year a QB ever had and jacked up his price. Or they could have signed him as soon as they heard stuff was coming down about the Bounty Scandal and Drew's leverage went through the roof. They did neither. Imagine your job and the following scenario: 1. You've been doing your job exceptionally well for the last 5 years. 2. There is no one available internally or externally who can do your job as well as you. 3. There is a HUGE project coming up where you're expertise is vital. 4. It's annual review time and there are other companies who would practically kill to have you on their staff. Are you not going to do everything in your power to negotiate the best raise you possibly can? Would I think MORE highly of him if he went? Probably. But if he doesn't: no big deal... BGWhoDat likes this.

04-14-2012, 12:09 AM	#23
Srgt. Hulka 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Shreveport, LA Posts: 4,417	I hate to be a downer, but he's been close to signing a deal for a year now. I'll believe he's close to signing a deal when there's ink on the paper...even then I'll be a little sceptacle. \|Mitch\| likes this.

04-14-2012, 01:17 AM	#24
dueceloose 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 957	Them being "close" isnt close enough.
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04-14-2012, 02:41 AM	#26
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,961	Originally Posted by W. Kovacs And let's not forget to take into account that The Saints aren't exactly without fault, here. They could have signed Drew to a long term extension before he went out and had arguably, the best year a QB ever had and jacked up his price. Or they could have signed him as soon as they heard stuff was coming down about the Bounty Scandal and Drew's leverage went through the roof. They did neither. And let us not forget that they tried to do exactly that after the 2010 season, but Brees' side turned their offer down, which according to many reports was a very lucrative offer.

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04-14-2012, 01:22 AM	#25
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	I agree Sarge! I hear they're close to signing one week and then the next they're not even close, depending on who you're listening to. I'm not getting my hopes up until Drew puts ink to paper...

04-14-2012, 05:15 AM	#27
MatthewT 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Mississippi Posts: 2,729	All I have to say is Brees has already been offered a contract that would have made him the highest paid person in the NFL. There comes a point when an organization has to throw up their hands and be done with it. I am not suggesting that the Saints should throw up their hand at this point, but seriously, it is getting very close to that point. It looks like Benson is now involved, so we can pretty much assure he will get his 23 mil per year contract. Drew Brees is definitely an elite QB, but seriously, not at the expense of the supporting crew. Having the best QB in the NFL is not a good thing. Having an up and coming guy who can win games is what you want. Brees at this point is a proven veteran, could seriously sink the Saints into 8-8 type of years for a long time.

04-14-2012, 06:27 AM	#28
Marlboro Man 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,469	Are we there yet? No. Call me when he signs the rest is just talk that I'm tired of hearing.

04-14-2012, 05:09 PM	#29
QBREES9 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: New Haven Ct Posts: 23,985	I have faith they'll get in done. Sunday night.

04-16-2012, 05:06 PM	#30
Budsdrinker A Cajun Transforming TX Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Woodlands, Texas Posts: 2,787	Originally Posted by W. Kovacs I sort of agreed with you until this morning. On SportsCenter or NFL Network (I was in a hotel, not really sure which I was watching) they showed the tackle where Brees blew out his shoulder. As someone who has had his shoulder reconstructed and is desperately trying to avoid the same surgery on the other side, I nearly vomited it looked so bad. I know that playing under the tag had nothing to do with the injury. I also know that playing under the tag now does nothing to increase the odds that he'll have an injury like that again. But if that happened to me the last time I played under a tag, I'd say thanks, but no thanks. (If I was Drew, I mean. If someone offered me $14mm a year to play football right now, I'd be the tackling dummy for that much cash!) This is also his last chance to get a huge contract. If he signs the tag, he can't hold out any more because he'll be under contract to play. If he gets injured in the weight room at an offseason practice and can't play again, he's effed. Also, these activities are VERY limited. Weight lifting, conditioning, stuff like that. Coaches can't be on the fields with players, they're not even allowed to use footballs in most workouts! Real OTAs start next month. And let's not forget to take into account that The Saints aren't exactly without fault, here. They could have signed Drew to a long term extension before he went out and had arguably, the best year a QB ever had and jacked up his price. Or they could have signed him as soon as they heard stuff was coming down about the Bounty Scandal and Drew's leverage went through the roof. They did neither. Imagine your job and the following scenario: 1. You've been doing your job exceptionally well for the last 5 years. 2. There is no one available internally or externally who can do your job as well as you. 3. There is a HUGE project coming up where you're expertise is vital. 4. It's annual review time and there are other companies who would practically kill to have you on their staff. Are you not going to do everything in your power to negotiate the best raise you possibly can? Would I think MORE highly of him if he went? Probably. But if he doesn't: no big deal... The problem I have with this way of thinking and I believe Danno brought this up before is that what was the difference in playing in 2011 when that was the last year of your contract vs this year under a franchise tag? In both cases it's a 1 year deal and you can't play the game worried about being injured. And I'm sure even if Drew has a 5 year deal, that there is some type of injury clause that voids the life of the contract or a buyout clause. So his using the last time he played under the tag, he was injured and it didn't go well for him doesn't fly in my book.