Asante for a 3rd round pick, too risky but.....

TheDeuce · 04-19-2012, 07:39 AM

Randy Moss was a trash talker and a selfish teammate at times... Talib tried to shoot somebody...

jeanpierre · 04-19-2012, 08:05 AM

Originally Posted by papz

Too bad he's a head case and may be suspended for off the field issues. He's really jacked up in the head.

Can't agree anymore with that statement...

Despite the BountyGate Media Attention, the Saints handle their business internally and prefer a NDZ = No Drama Zone...

Despite the investment in Shockey was bounced.

jcp026 · 04-19-2012, 08:56 AM

I wanted to draft him before he got into trouble. I'd take him for a 3rd round pick or lower, but I don't know that we have the cap space.

jcp026 · 04-19-2012, 08:57 AM

Originally Posted by hagan714

i wish the nfl would do their thing with harper and vilma. that should free up cap space some how. it just does not seem fair to hit us for their salaries while they are out. Suspended without pay like they did with SP.

i can not wait to see how long the court cases in the players charges goes on. this will be much harder to prove and it should open the nfl up to questions on how long and what they did to monitor the events. ok thread hijacking

asnte is a bit long in the tooth and is injury prone. talib is a punk that could be had for cheap and signed with a behavior clause. myself i am looking at saftey over CB right now.

FA ? Atogwe is now on the market. Remember the Spags system does not believe in true SS. more of a CB/FS/SS type.

I like the Atogwe idea.

Dos Equis · 04-19-2012, 09:00 AM

Originally Posted by BGWhoDat

I'd like Talib.

You can have him. He is a true malcontent. The guy is bat**** crazy and is always in trouble. Sure, he's mad-talented, but what good is that when the dude is always having CRAZY run-ins with the law. His conduct issues date back to his Kansas days.

Dos Equis · 04-19-2012, 09:01 AM

Greg Schiano denies team wants to deal Aqib Talib
Posted by Josh Alper on April 18, 2012, 6:10 PM EDT

Getty ImagesThe Buccaneers may have serious interest in LSU cornerback Morris Claiborne, but, according to their head coach, that doesn’t mean they are trying to trade Aqib Talib.

Greg Schiano responded to a report from Wednesday morning that the team was looking to deal Talib in exchange for a pick or picks in next week’s draft. He told the Tampa Bay Times that there’s nothing to it.

“All I can tell you is that there is absolutely zero thinking on our part as far as wanting to do that,” Schiano said. “I want him to be a Buc. I understand there’s been issues before I arrived. I’m not naive to that. And I understand that some of those are a heck of a lot bigger than playing football. But I am really hopeful that that clears itself up. Since I met him for the first time, he’s done everything I’ve asked. He’s practiced well and he’s prepared well. I try not to judge people other than (by) how they treat me, and he’s treated me well. I don’t know how all that got started, but no, there’s no truth to that.”

It’s a strong denial, especially since there’s been a lot of focus on clearing out players with character issues since Schiano came to Tampa. It could be an attempt to drive up the price in a trade, of course, but the truth remains that trading Talib is problematic on two fronts.

The first is the trial for aggravated assault that starts at the end of June, leaving his availability for the 2012 season in some doubt, and the second is the impact that uncertainty will have on the return in a trade. Troubled or not, Talib is a talented player who was a first-round pick just a few years ago. The Bucs wouldn’t get anything close to that in a deal and might be better off rolling the dice on Talib’s availability as they try to rebound from a rough 2011 season.

papz · 04-19-2012, 09:37 AM

Originally Posted by BGWhoDat

We worked out Randy Moss.

Besides all the points everyone else has already brought up, there's a difference in bringing someone in for a look see as opposed to trading a draft pick for someone who may face a 5 to 20 year prison sentence... forget the suspension. Apples and oranges.

mikesaintfan · 04-19-2012, 11:18 AM

Originally Posted by BGWhoDat

We worked out Randy Moss.

RM is a hall of fame player...Aqib Talib...not so much

BGWhoDat · 04-19-2012, 02:39 PM

Originally Posted by papz

Besides all the points everyone else has already brought up, there's a difference in bringing someone in for a look see as opposed to trading a draft pick for someone who may face a 5 to 20 year prison sentence... forget the suspension. Apples and oranges.

I actually must have missed the shooting deal. I didn't know about that.

I was more so referring to your "being jacked in the head" comment with Moss. Hall of Famer or not, still willing to gamble.

NuNu318 · 04-19-2012, 03:27 PM

Originally Posted by BGWhoDat

I actually must have missed the shooting deal. I didn't know about that.

I was more so referring to your "being jacked in the head" comment with Moss. Hall of Famer or not, still willing to gamble.

Yeah from what I read he shot at his sister's boyfriend/husband. Because he was supposedly beating on his sister.

04-19-2012, 07:39 AM	#11
TheDeuce 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,928	Randy Moss was a trash talker and a selfish teammate at times... Talib tried to shoot somebody...
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04-19-2012, 08:05 AM	#12
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Originally Posted by papz Too bad he's a head case and may be suspended for off the field issues. He's really jacked up in the head. Can't agree anymore with that statement... Despite the BountyGate Media Attention, the Saints handle their business internally and prefer a NDZ = No Drama Zone... Despite the investment in Shockey was bounced.

04-19-2012, 08:56 AM	#13
jcp026 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 951	I wanted to draft him before he got into trouble. I'd take him for a 3rd round pick or lower, but I don't know that we have the cap space.
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04-19-2012, 08:57 AM	#14
jcp026 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 951	Originally Posted by hagan714 i wish the nfl would do their thing with harper and vilma. that should free up cap space some how. it just does not seem fair to hit us for their salaries while they are out. Suspended without pay like they did with SP. i can not wait to see how long the court cases in the players charges goes on. this will be much harder to prove and it should open the nfl up to questions on how long and what they did to monitor the events. ok thread hijacking asnte is a bit long in the tooth and is injury prone. talib is a punk that could be had for cheap and signed with a behavior clause. myself i am looking at saftey over CB right now. FA ? Atogwe is now on the market. Remember the Spags system does not believe in true SS. more of a CB/FS/SS type. I like the Atogwe idea.
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04-19-2012, 09:00 AM	#15
Dos Equis 0123456789 Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 69	Originally Posted by BGWhoDat I'd like Talib. You can have him. He is a true malcontent. The guy is bat**** crazy and is always in trouble. Sure, he's mad-talented, but what good is that when the dude is always having CRAZY run-ins with the law. His conduct issues date back to his Kansas days.

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04-19-2012, 09:01 AM	#16
Dos Equis 0123456789 Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 69	Update from PFT Greg Schiano denies team wants to deal Aqib Talib Posted by Josh Alper on April 18, 2012, 6:10 PM EDT Getty ImagesThe Buccaneers may have serious interest in LSU cornerback Morris Claiborne, but, according to their head coach, that doesn’t mean they are trying to trade Aqib Talib. Greg Schiano responded to a report from Wednesday morning that the team was looking to deal Talib in exchange for a pick or picks in next week’s draft. He told the Tampa Bay Times that there’s nothing to it. “All I can tell you is that there is absolutely zero thinking on our part as far as wanting to do that,” Schiano said. “I want him to be a Buc. I understand there’s been issues before I arrived. I’m not naive to that. And I understand that some of those are a heck of a lot bigger than playing football. But I am really hopeful that that clears itself up. Since I met him for the first time, he’s done everything I’ve asked. He’s practiced well and he’s prepared well. I try not to judge people other than (by) how they treat me, and he’s treated me well. I don’t know how all that got started, but no, there’s no truth to that.” It’s a strong denial, especially since there’s been a lot of focus on clearing out players with character issues since Schiano came to Tampa. It could be an attempt to drive up the price in a trade, of course, but the truth remains that trading Talib is problematic on two fronts. The first is the trial for aggravated assault that starts at the end of June, leaving his availability for the 2012 season in some doubt, and the second is the impact that uncertainty will have on the return in a trade. Troubled or not, Talib is a talented player who was a first-round pick just a few years ago. The Bucs wouldn’t get anything close to that in a deal and might be better off rolling the dice on Talib’s availability as they try to rebound from a rough 2011 season.

04-19-2012, 09:37 AM	#17
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,744	Originally Posted by BGWhoDat We worked out Randy Moss. Besides all the points everyone else has already brought up, there's a difference in bringing someone in for a look see as opposed to trading a draft pick for someone who may face a 5 to 20 year prison sentence... forget the suspension. Apples and oranges. NuNu318 likes this.

04-19-2012, 11:18 AM	#18
mikesaintfan 1000 Posts + Join Date: May 2006 Location: new jersey Posts: 1,070	Originally Posted by BGWhoDat We worked out Randy Moss. RM is a hall of fame player...Aqib Talib...not so much

04-19-2012, 02:39 PM	#19
BGWhoDat Who Dat Writer Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: New Orleans, LA Posts: 241	Originally Posted by papz Besides all the points everyone else has already brought up, there's a difference in bringing someone in for a look see as opposed to trading a draft pick for someone who may face a 5 to 20 year prison sentence... forget the suspension. Apples and oranges. I actually must have missed the shooting deal. I didn't know about that. I was more so referring to your "being jacked in the head" comment with Moss. Hall of Famer or not, still willing to gamble.

04-19-2012, 03:27 PM	#20
NuNu318 100th Post Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: VA Posts: 465	Originally Posted by BGWhoDat I actually must have missed the shooting deal. I didn't know about that. I was more so referring to your "being jacked in the head" comment with Moss. Hall of Famer or not, still willing to gamble. Yeah from what I read he shot at his sister's boyfriend/husband. Because he was supposedly beating on his sister.

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