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Two Words For You: TRADE. ELI. The "character" thing: NFL draftniks, GMs and fans all pay it a ton of lip service. So I wonder if Eli Manning's demand to be shipped to New York -- or, more accurately, to not play for San Diego -- will hurt his draft grade? (Why do I think it won't?) It should. What a punk! Teams draft the players, not the other way around. The system works because the struggling teams get the player that best fits their needs. Here's an irony: All Mike Williams wants to do is play in the NFL -- and he can't; meanwhile, Manning is acting like a prima donna before he even gets to the draft podium. If I was a Chargers fan, I wouldn't even want Manning anymore. Forget it: Ship his overrated keister to the Giants Then at No. 4, draft Philip Rivers, who will be a better NFL QB than Manning anyway. |
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eli aint elway
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peyton went where he got drafted, do you got a clue?
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Looks like the consumate team player might not be one afterall. All that talent -- all that \"class\" -- and he pulls something like this 2 days before the draft. If I were the Chargers I\'d draft him anyway just to piss him off. What a little punk.
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Archie doesn\'t want Eli to go to the Chargers. Makes me think he probably wouldn\'t want Eli to play for one of the most losing teams in NFL history -- The New Orleans Saints-- Sure makes me wonder.....
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I think Elway had something else to fall back on. Draft him, he would not start anyway, if he holds out good you dont have to pay him,. Hold him out a year, someone will trade a first for him next year. Worst case you dont pay the pr***k he has to sit out, and thats hard one them to keep up. Next year trade him for a high first you\'ll have two first, the cap space to cover them, and who know Drew may show something, ya never know...
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So what are you saying by that statement? His rights won\'t be traded a month after he\'s drafted, out of fear that he may pursue a baseball career if he\'s not traded? do you got a grammar? [Edited on 22/4/2004 by BlackandBlue] |
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It isn\'t exactly a secret that Archie doesn\'t think Eli should be the one to hand Tomlinson the ball all day long. It\'s been at least three weeks since I first read about him lobbying the Giants to seek a trade. I\'m sure the Chargers were aware of where he didn\'t want his son to end up.
However, while I think talking to the Giants (I\'m talking about Archie here, not the Chargers) about trading up was borderline acceptable, now telling the Chargers about his concerns is not. Pretty classless - and pretty useless too. Is he trying to bully San Diego into a trade with New York? Bad idea. |
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This thread hasn\'t gotten much negitive reaction around here. I wonder if it were anyone else but a Manning what the reaction would be. I wonder what the reaction of Saints fans would be if Eli or any other player told the Saints they refused to come here.
Elway did the samething when he refused to go to the Colts. Wonder what the Colts would have done with Elway. Well, we\'ll never know because Elway changed the course of history by refusing to play for the Colts. Doen\'t this set a dangerous precedent? If Eli can do it, why can\'t EVERYONE else? |
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Besides that, that ain\'t the way it\'s suppose to work. What would you say if that were the Saints that Archie didn\'t want Eli playing for?? I know I\'d be pretty upset. Oh, maybe you didin\'t hear it come out of Eli\'s mouth, but do you really think Archie is gonna do something his son totally disagrees with? Come on. Eli = P U N K !! |
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What has Archie done other than voice his opinion? Has he filed a law suit against the NFL or the Chargers? Why bring up sympathy? I don\'t feel sympathy for the guy either, but then, I don\'t remember him asking for any.
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You and Archie are both entitled to your opinion. There\'s a big difference in YOUR opinion and when Archie tells the Chargers that he doesn\'t think Eli is a good fit in San Diego. When Daddy talks, people tend to start believing Eli doesn\'t want to be there and I\'m sure there are many disappointed Chargers fans now.
I only brought up sympathy because you were bringing up what a Father does for his son\'s best intrest. Well, that might be fine and dandy for the Mannings to make sure their son bucks the system and get\'s what he wants, but it doesn\'t sit well with me. [Edited on 22/4/2004 by SaintsReporter] |
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i do like the idea subguy has... the team drafts the player...not the other way around. that\'s the truth, and either you take it or sit out a year... i think that the chargers should select him anyways.... what\'s he gonna do, file an appeal?
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I understand where you are coming from. But if I was the GM of San Diego, I wouldn\'t care, I\'d be trading down to the #4 with the Giants, then again down to #7 with the Browns, and pick up as much as I possibly could, picks, Northcutt, Hilliard...whatever. Hell, those two players are upgrades compared to the crap they currently have at receiver, and I still haven\'t dropped out of the top 10.
Archie may not want Eli to play in San Diego, but if I was Eli, I would have told daddy to tap those brakes just a hair. San Diego is one of the most beautiful cities in this country and the women...don\'t even get me started. |
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i would\'nt feel any different no matter who the saints drafted, if that player did not want to play here, good luck to em, see ya, so long, don\'t let the door hit you in the a$$.. what is the big deal? and now off topic, and i\'ll probably get throw into the fires of black and gold hell, but what the hell.......after all, it was a brave man who first ate an oyster...... how do shut a moderator up? answer.....just let him talk.....sooner or later, he\'ll put his foot in his mouth and do it for you......swamee |
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You know all the guys you guys have been dreaming the Saints might draft? Let\'s hope we get lucky enough to have one fall in our lap. Then let\'s hope him and his daddy are ok with that player coming to the Big Easy !!
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That kind of Spanishesque/ Cali architecture is hardly anything to marvel at ..... Archie is most likely right in his saying avoid San Diego , even Spanos wants out of the place .... ;) The Chargers would be a death trap for Eli , Schott could be on his way out and Spanos could move the team to the Los Angeles area to corner the Southern Cali. market .Where Spanos will find out what 2 previous owners have found out , the Los Angeles area is a huge market that has no real interest in a struggling team . [Edited on 22/4/2004 by saintz08] |
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Been awhile... good to be back... good to be finished with semester papers...
Let me begin by saying how much respect I have for the Manning family. I have loved Archie Manning since birth, and I pull for Peyton when he\'s not drumming the Saints or wearing an orange T on his helmet. All that being said, Eli has to be a man and speak up for himself here. If all of this conflict is motivated by the Manning family, Eli has to decide if this is the reputation he wants to build in the NFL. Does he really want to enter the league as a prima donna, demanding that San Diego bow to his ego? If Eli is really the voice behind all of the smoke Archie and Condon are exuding, then he needs to stop the obfuscation and take responsibility for his whining ways. I\'ll go on record as thinking at one point that it would be nice to have another Manning under center for the Saints. Right now, my opinion has been changed. I\'m sick of players trying to dictate what they want to the league. The reason that the NFL is more popular and profitable than any other sports league in the world is because of the team concept. If Eli thinks he\'s bigger and better than the system under which he hopes to profit in the future, then I don\'t want him. In fact, I\'ll go so far as to root against his spoiled a$$ and hope he gets eaten alive by the NY press after going 2-14 in his first season as a starter. .02 Good to be back. [Edited on 23/4/2004 by whowatches] |
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Good to see you back, I need some help with these young whipper-snappers.
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I\'m glad to see all the new folks. They all seem pretty friendly.
By the way, the new avatar\'s kinda scary... I think Darren needs a hug. BnB, boil it down for me... do you think Eli\'s being a beeotch, too? |
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After reading what SR posted on the other thread, absolutely. I can understand players not wanting to play somewhere, but to dictate it? Should be like everyone else- you get a nice job making six figures and you live where the company wants you to live, if you don\'t, you go do something else.
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Well you either have a thing for Latina\'s or bubble headed beach blondes .
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Nothing wrong with archie saying his opinion... Its Eli\'s call... and if he comes out and says what he wants and gets it, means he\'ll be happier and have to work his ass off to live up to that decision, so it could be a good thing for whomever...
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It\'s just rubs people the wrong way. We\'ve all seen QB\'s drafted by terrible teams and they never complained and made those teams their own. But, Eli, he ain\'t having none of that. He\'s going to do things \"HIS\" way. |
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saintz08,
I hope you aren\'t too old. I\'d like to be sitting here talking to you about the Saints drafting Aaron Brooks son one day. :D |
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Eli, had all this crizap not come to public light, would have been a GOD in San Diego making a pretty mean salary. He\'d also have the chance to be a savior for a franchise in need of hope. All of which is more than any of us could ever hope for in our lifetime. But... it\'s not enough for him. Wonder if he\'d prefer to be watching Adult Swim with me right now, looking forward to a day of dull meetings and stellar, middle-class pay? |
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Meatwad kicks, by the way.
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Who would want to live in California if they had a choice? High taxes in the second most liberal state in the country; Mass. being first. Not to mention OVERRUN with Mexicans just to play on a team with poor management, a history of poor personnel decisions, and a coach who probably won\'t be there after this year. He\'s in a unique position to bargain(extort) and try and land in a city he prefers. Although I don\'t see the attraction to New York either; another liberal venue with high taxes, excentric people, and more Puerto Ricans than Puerto Rico.
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This is remenicent of the 1991 NHL draft when Eric Lindros refused to play for the Quebec Nordiques when he was drafted first over all. He ended up sitting out for a full year. (Although he did play for a minor league team after he took out a $5mil insurance policy). He was traded in 1992 for a ton of players. The Nordiques ended up becoming the Colorado Avalanche (one of the better teams in the NHL). So basically what I am saying is the Chargers should still draft Eli, regardless of his or his Dad\'s opinion. If he refuses to play for them, then they trade him for a ton of good established players. Would he really play all that much in his first year anyways? |
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Just watched the Archie interview on NFL Total Access. He claims that the Chargers were the one\'s that asked Archie to get involved with the negotiation process. It was also the Chargers that leaked this information to the press. He claims that during the discussions, the Giants were never brought up. He did confirm that they did in fact ask the Chargers to pass on Eli. Sitting out a year was never brought up, nor do i believe it will be an issue, regardless of who drafts him.
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