Vilma's past

TheOak · 05-04-2012, 05:44 AM

Look.. I love this cat as much as the next guy but fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me.

Where there is smoke twice?

This is older news BUT when you read it in today's light it takes on a different tone doesn't it?

$2,250 in bounties. Shapiro said the bounties were: $1,000 for a hit and personal foul penalty by Vilma on Florida State quarterback Chris Rix during Miami’s 28-27 win on Oct. 12, 2002; $250 for a sack in a 38-33 win over Florida on Sept. 6, 2003; and $1,000 for a hit on Rix in a 16-14 win over Florida State on Jan. 1, 2004.
Allegations: Jonathan Vilma - Investigations - Yahoo! Sports

Remember when Vilma was tied to bounties at Miami? - NFL.com

Tobias-Reiper · 05-04-2012, 07:44 AM

... maybe you should also post a couple links to information about this Nevin Shapiro, where is he now, why is he there, and why he would claim he gave money away like he did.

TheOak · 05-04-2012, 07:58 AM

I could care less about Shapiro. If Vilma's appeal goes to trial this WILL be brought up as a character reference.

I suppose its just purely random coincidence. :-/

GOULA SAINT · 05-04-2012, 07:59 AM

This is ridiculous football players are different they are mean, arrogant people and this is what they do. Hell watch Friday night lights they celebrated when they hurt boobie Myles it goes on in every level and has for a long Time.

SaintsBro · 05-04-2012, 08:06 AM

Well with the exception of Scott Fujita, EVERY person punished in this whole bounty thing had a "past" of some kind or other...Suddenly we go down from Goodell's initial "24-27 Saints players extensively participated" to JUST the particular players and coaches who had past issues or had caused past PR problems for the league with lawsuits or off-field issues...if you want to buy into that, without any proof being shown, then it's okay with me, but we were led to believe the bounty scandal was this MASSIVE team-wide thing and now it turns out it's maybe not so MASSIVE and it's almost completely limited to guys the league already had PR or legal headaches from, and probably wants to be rid of...it's all very convenient.

PS Fujita also said that virtually "every team he'd ever been on" had pay-for-performance of some kind, and he had paid out "a lot of money over the years" (which means on teams other than the Saints). So make of that what you will.

TheOak · 05-04-2012, 08:14 AM

Originally Posted by GOULA SAINT

This is ridiculous football players are different they are mean, arrogant people and this is what they do. Hell watch Friday night lights they celebrated when they hurt boobie Myles it goes on in every level and has for a long Time.

I disagree. I do not need to watch a movie to know how football players are on the field. Ive played the game.

Mean? Arrogant? Different?

Brees, mean or arrogant? Garrett Hartley mean, arrogant?

Blanket statements like that are dangerous. You form your opinions from movies?

I suppose Barney is really a purple dinosaur covered in felt.

TheOak · 05-04-2012, 08:17 AM

Originally Posted by SaintsBro

Well with the exception of Scott Fujita, EVERY person punished in this whole bounty thing had a "past" of some kind or other...Suddenly we go down from Goodell's initial "24-27 Saints players extensively participated" to JUST the particular players and coaches who had past issues or had caused past PR problems for the league with lawsuits or off-field issues...if you want to buy into that, without any proof being shown, then it's okay with me, but we were led to believe the bounty scandal was this MASSIVE team-wide thing and now it turns out it's maybe not so MASSIVE and it's almost completely limited to guys the league already had PR or legal headaches from, and probably wants to be rid of...it's all very convenient.

PS Fujita also said that virtually "every team he'd ever been on" had pay-for-performance of some kind, and he had paid out "a lot of money over the years" (which means on teams other than the Saints). So make of that what you will.

Everyone does have a past... I have a past.. you have a past.... If Will Smith has a past history of speeding tickets it will not weigh in much if at all..

Vilma having a past that involves Bounty issues on a previous team, in a previous league is not going to be viewed as coincidental.

Tobias-Reiper · 05-04-2012, 08:29 AM

Originally Posted by x626xBlack

I could care less about Shapiro. If Vilma's appeal goes to trial this WILL be brought up as a character reference.

I suppose its just purely random coincidence. :-/

You should care about Nevin Shapiro, because Nevin Shapiro was convicted and is in jail for running a ponzi scheme (which makes him a liar to begin with) which defrauded millions of dlrs from unsuspecting investors. When you are convicted of such a crime, the first thing the Feds go after is your assets, including cash, obviously. Claiming you "gave it all away" is a means to hide cash you have stashed in some remote Caribbean island.

SaintGup · 05-04-2012, 08:33 AM

Originally Posted by x626xBlack

I suppose Barney is really a purple dinosaur covered in felt.

Ha. That's the stupidest thing I've heard... Everyone knows it's Magenta!

SaintsBro · 05-04-2012, 08:38 AM

Originally Posted by x626xBlack

Everyone does have a past... I have a past.. you have a past.... If Will Smith has a past history of speeding tickets it will not weigh in much if at all..

Vilma having a past that involves Bounty issues on a previous team, in a previous league is not going to be viewed as coincidental.

You really think if Will Smith or Anthony Hargrove has a history of drug abuse and rule violations that were very embarrassing the league, that it's NOT going to weigh into Goodell's thinking at all? You really believe that? If Will Smith has a history of speeding tickets, and he ends up back in court in front of the same judge with a DUI or crashing his car or something more serious, you think the same judge is not going to take those speeding tickets into account? Get real. Of course the past matters, any kind of past, especially one that is embarrassing to the league and to the commissioner. You really think Payton or Vitt's past didn't influence Goodell at all? Look, we all want things to be fair, we believe they should be, but that does not mean that they are fair.

05-04-2012, 05:44 AM	#1
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Vilma's past Look.. I love this cat as much as the next guy but fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me. Where there is smoke twice? This is older news BUT when you read it in today's light it takes on a different tone doesn't it? $2,250 in bounties. Shapiro said the bounties were: $1,000 for a hit and personal foul penalty by Vilma on Florida State quarterback Chris Rix during Miami’s 28-27 win on Oct. 12, 2002; $250 for a sack in a 38-33 win over Florida on Sept. 6, 2003; and $1,000 for a hit on Rix in a 16-14 win over Florida State on Jan. 1, 2004. Allegations: Jonathan Vilma - Investigations - Yahoo! Sports Remember when Vilma was tied to bounties at Miami? - NFL.com TheDeuce and BGWhoDat like this.
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05-04-2012, 07:59 AM	#4
GOULA SAINT Good Times Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 87	This is ridiculous football players are different they are mean, arrogant people and this is what they do. Hell watch Friday night lights they celebrated when they hurt boobie Myles it goes on in every level and has for a long Time.
GOULA SAINT Good Times Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 87

05-04-2012, 08:14 AM	#6
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Originally Posted by GOULA SAINT This is ridiculous football players are different they are mean, arrogant people and this is what they do. Hell watch Friday night lights they celebrated when they hurt boobie Myles it goes on in every level and has for a long Time. I disagree. I do not need to watch a movie to know how football players are on the field. Ive played the game. Mean? Arrogant? Different? Brees, mean or arrogant? Garrett Hartley mean, arrogant? Blanket statements like that are dangerous. You form your opinions from movies? I suppose Barney is really a purple dinosaur covered in felt. Euphoria and RockyMountainSaint like this.

05-04-2012, 08:17 AM	#7
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Originally Posted by SaintsBro Well with the exception of Scott Fujita, EVERY person punished in this whole bounty thing had a "past" of some kind or other...Suddenly we go down from Goodell's initial "24-27 Saints players extensively participated" to JUST the particular players and coaches who had past issues or had caused past PR problems for the league with lawsuits or off-field issues...if you want to buy into that, without any proof being shown, then it's okay with me, but we were led to believe the bounty scandal was this MASSIVE team-wide thing and now it turns out it's maybe not so MASSIVE and it's almost completely limited to guys the league already had PR or legal headaches from, and probably wants to be rid of...it's all very convenient. PS Fujita also said that virtually "every team he'd ever been on" had pay-for-performance of some kind, and he had paid out "a lot of money over the years" (which means on teams other than the Saints). So make of that what you will. Everyone does have a past... I have a past.. you have a past.... If Will Smith has a past history of speeding tickets it will not weigh in much if at all.. Vilma having a past that involves Bounty issues on a previous team, in a previous league is not going to be viewed as coincidental.

05-04-2012, 08:29 AM	#8
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Originally Posted by x626xBlack I could care less about Shapiro. If Vilma's appeal goes to trial this WILL be brought up as a character reference. I suppose its just purely random coincidence. :-/ You should care about Nevin Shapiro, because Nevin Shapiro was convicted and is in jail for running a ponzi scheme (which makes him a liar to begin with) which defrauded millions of dlrs from unsuspecting investors. When you are convicted of such a crime, the first thing the Feds go after is your assets, including cash, obviously. Claiming you "gave it all away" is a means to hide cash you have stashed in some remote Caribbean island.

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05-04-2012, 07:44 AM	#2
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	... maybe you should also post a couple links to information about this Nevin Shapiro, where is he now, why is he there, and why he would claim he gave money away like he did.

05-04-2012, 07:58 AM	#3
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	I could care less about Shapiro. If Vilma's appeal goes to trial this WILL be brought up as a character reference. I suppose its just purely random coincidence. :-/

05-04-2012, 08:06 AM	#5
SaintsBro Site Donor Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: in line with my ridiculous CLEAR PLASTIC BAG Posts: 3,650 Blog Entries: 3	Well with the exception of Scott Fujita, EVERY person punished in this whole bounty thing had a "past" of some kind or other...Suddenly we go down from Goodell's initial "24-27 Saints players extensively participated" to JUST the particular players and coaches who had past issues or had caused past PR problems for the league with lawsuits or off-field issues...if you want to buy into that, without any proof being shown, then it's okay with me, but we were led to believe the bounty scandal was this MASSIVE team-wide thing and now it turns out it's maybe not so MASSIVE and it's almost completely limited to guys the league already had PR or legal headaches from, and probably wants to be rid of...it's all very convenient. PS Fujita also said that virtually "every team he'd ever been on" had pay-for-performance of some kind, and he had paid out "a lot of money over the years" (which means on teams other than the Saints). So make of that what you will.

05-04-2012, 08:33 AM	#9
SaintGup 500th Post Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: London, England Posts: 580	Originally Posted by x626xBlack I suppose Barney is really a purple dinosaur covered in felt. Ha. That's the stupidest thing I've heard... Everyone knows it's Magenta! saintfan and sharke like this.

05-04-2012, 08:38 AM	#10
SaintsBro Site Donor Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: in line with my ridiculous CLEAR PLASTIC BAG Posts: 3,650 Blog Entries: 3	Originally Posted by x626xBlack Everyone does have a past... I have a past.. you have a past.... If Will Smith has a past history of speeding tickets it will not weigh in much if at all.. Vilma having a past that involves Bounty issues on a previous team, in a previous league is not going to be viewed as coincidental. You really think if Will Smith or Anthony Hargrove has a history of drug abuse and rule violations that were very embarrassing the league, that it's NOT going to weigh into Goodell's thinking at all? You really believe that? If Will Smith has a history of speeding tickets, and he ends up back in court in front of the same judge with a DUI or crashing his car or something more serious, you think the same judge is not going to take those speeding tickets into account? Get real. Of course the past matters, any kind of past, especially one that is embarrassing to the league and to the commissioner. You really think Payton or Vitt's past didn't influence Goodell at all? Look, we all want things to be fair, we believe they should be, but that does not mean that they are fair.

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