Again, with Drew Brees...

SapperSaint · 05-04-2012, 08:46 AM

That's the point some are trying to make Gup. If we pay Drew $50 million (example), we can not afford to keep players like Sproles, Graham and others who will have contracts coming up. We lost Nicks because we couldn't afford him and Drew. What if the guy who takes Nicks' spot doesn't protect Drew as good and Drew gets hammered and is out for the season? Is it worth it?

How many teams have a "Real" QB? Brady and Rogers are the two "For real" QB's out there besides Drew. Peyton is still a guess but a good guess that he will be good. Eli is unpredictable. As well as Rothlesburger. Stafford is ok. Othere than that what teams have a "Real" QB?

Alex Smith is no Drew Bress, but he beat us.

I want Drew to get everything he has earned. I swear I do, but not at the expense of hurting the team in the near future.

SaintsBro · 05-04-2012, 09:01 AM

Originally Posted by SapperSaint

We lost Nicks because we couldn't afford him and Drew. What if the guy who takes Nicks' spot doesn't protect Drew as good and Drew gets hammered and is out for the season? Is it worth it?

So would you rather keep Nicks and pay top dollar to have him protect Chase Daniels? Quit inventing crisises that don't exist. Nicks was underpaid by the Saints, period, that's why he left, end of story. The new guy is the new guy and has nothing to do with Nicks.

Saintlyone · 05-04-2012, 03:14 PM

Did not read LULZ

Another Brees thread....when he signs then awesome. Until then, I won't give a single damn.

Danno · 05-04-2012, 09:04 AM

Originally Posted by SaintGup

This is really for those of you that think Brees is greedy and wants Mickey Loomis to hold firm and not give him what he wants. I'm sick of people bashing Brees for doing what it seems ok for other players to do...
Most passing yards by a Quarterback over a span of 5 years.
Most passing yards in a single season
Only Quarterback ever to hit 5,000+ yards twice.
The most accurate quarterback ever (Only Quarterback to hit over 71% accuracy)
Only Quarterback in NFL history to get 400+ yards in 4 consecutive playoff games.
Led us to a Superbowl title
Probably has the best leadership in the game today
During the lockout, spend his own money to set up a training camp, including paying staff.
Has helped the team and players to countless other records and is a respected member of the human race.
Has played well over what he has been paid since 2006
Has other records that I haven't mentioned.
Raised over $7,000,000 with his wife for the Brees Dream foundation and has no hesitation in giving back.
Family man and man of faith (I am not a religious person but I do recognise the dedication of people who are and have faith)
If anyone can think of anything else to add, feel free. The point I am trying to make is to get off the man's back! We know that he always points to his teammates rather than take the credit but we also know that to let him go would be the best move ever if we are wanting a mediocre team. Yes he is asking for a lot but doesn't he deserve to be a little selfish, especially since he is asking for it to be front loaded as he has been burned before. For those of you saying let him go because he's being greedy and it's about the team, remember those words when we have an ok Quarterback and are 8-8, 7-9, 4-12 etc. Because, unless there is a miracle if we let him go, that is what will happen. CUT THE GUY SOME SLACK!

Dang!!! Those are some awEsome accomplishments. Theres no excuse for us not to offer to make Drew Brees the highest paid player in the NFL.

Oh wait...WE ALREADY DID...TWICE!!!

We need to cut ownership some slack.

Brandon428 · 05-04-2012, 09:15 AM

Brees is an amazing QB,one of the best of all time but unfortunately this is still a business and it cost money to run a successful business! If Brees were the only employee than sure pay him the big bucks,but he’s not.

xan · 05-04-2012, 09:34 AM

Just to clarify my "morally deserving" reference:

A sole moral claim is one in which no other party has any right to the fruits of work.

If one can establish that the value Brees brings to the organization is in no way related to any other person in that organization, and that he would receive that compensation (in a relative sense) no matter when or where he was geographically and societally, then he is morally deserving of the compensation he seeks.

My point is that the line had to block, the receivers had to catch, and the running backs had to run, the defense had to play and the kickers had to kick, the coach had to have a plan, the front office had to find talent, we had to buy tickets and the networks had to pay to televise.

To claim Brees achieved what he has without at least partially attributing his success to the quality of the team around him would be difficult to justify morally. No one disputes he adds tremendous value, and that his compensation should reflect his contribution.

Even Michael Phelps, who wins most of his races by himself, recognizes his entitlements from winning those races do not give him moral claim to the entirety of the fruits of his work.

RaginCajun83 · 05-04-2012, 10:35 AM

Originally Posted by SaintGup

Most passing yards by a Quarterback over a span of 5 years.
Most passing yards in a single season
Only Quarterback ever to hit 5,000+ yards twice.
The most accurate quarterback ever (Only Quarterback to hit over 71% accuracy)
Only Quarterback in NFL history to get 400+ yards in 4 consecutive playoff games.
Led us to a Superbowl title
Probably has the best leadership in the game today
During the lockout, spend his own money to set up a training camp, including paying staff.
Has helped the team and players to countless other records and is a respected member of the human race.
Has played well over what he has been paid since 2006
Has other records that I haven't mentioned.
Raised over $7,000,000 with his wife for the Brees Dream foundation and has no hesitation in giving back.
Family man and man of faith (I am not a religious person but I do recognise the dedication of people who are and have faith)

If in the spring of 2006, you told me that by the 2012 season, the quarterback of the Saints would accomplish all that .... I would of asked for what kind of bourbon you were drinking cause you'd have to be drunk to say that .... Drew means so much to this team and city that Loomis will pay him what is fair and a deal will get done before training camp, now that the team knows who is suspended I got a good feeling that Drew's deal will get done soon

SapperSaint · 05-04-2012, 10:40 AM

SaintBro,

I don't see how I am inventing anything. I don't control the Saints anymore than you do. Was Nicks underpaid? Yes. But I guess it is okay to over pay a player at the cost of losing other players.

Say what you want. Call me dumb if you like.

But I don't want a crap team (because we can't afford to keep or bring in good players) again and then say "But we have Drew Brees!" Do you?

SaintsBro · 05-05-2012, 08:42 AM

Originally Posted by SapperSaint

SaintBro,

I don't see how I am inventing anything. I don't control the Saints anymore than you do. Was Nicks underpaid? Yes. But I guess it is okay to over pay a player at the cost of losing other players.

Say what you want. Call me dumb if you like.

But I don't want a crap team (because we can't afford to keep or bring in good players) again and then say "But we have Drew Brees!" Do you?

No, I don't think you're dumb or anything like that. Please don't think I meant anything like that. I actually like your posts. I just think in the case of comparing the new guy to Nicks, you are "inventing" a crisis that hasn't happened yet. Nobody knows how this new guy is going to work out, he may turn out to be a stellar addition to the team at a fraction of the price of Nicks, which is exactly what we all want. Worrying about it before he's played a single down is counter-productive. That's all I meant. Unlike a lot of people here, I trust the Saints' front office to come up with a deal for Brees that is fair to both parties and keeps the team competitive for the rest of Brees' time here.

hagan714 · 05-04-2012, 10:54 AM

give drew the hornets as his signing bonus. that should make the deal cap freindly

05-04-2012, 08:46 AM	#1
SapperSaint Pink Nightmare Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Mississippi Posts: 3,028 Blog Entries: 7	That's the point some are trying to make Gup. If we pay Drew $50 million (example), we can not afford to keep players like Sproles, Graham and others who will have contracts coming up. We lost Nicks because we couldn't afford him and Drew. What if the guy who takes Nicks' spot doesn't protect Drew as good and Drew gets hammered and is out for the season? Is it worth it? How many teams have a "Real" QB? Brady and Rogers are the two "For real" QB's out there besides Drew. Peyton is still a guess but a good guess that he will be good. Eli is unpredictable. As well as Rothlesburger. Stafford is ok. Othere than that what teams have a "Real" QB? Alex Smith is no Drew Bress, but he beat us. I want Drew to get everything he has earned. I swear I do, but not at the expense of hurting the team in the near future. Danno, Rugby Saint II, 42alpha saint and 1 others like this.
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05-04-2012, 09:01 AM	#2
SaintsBro Site Donor Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: in line with my ridiculous CLEAR PLASTIC BAG Posts: 3,650 Blog Entries: 3	Originally Posted by SapperSaint We lost Nicks because we couldn't afford him and Drew. What if the guy who takes Nicks' spot doesn't protect Drew as good and Drew gets hammered and is out for the season? Is it worth it? So would you rather keep Nicks and pay top dollar to have him protect Chase Daniels? Quit inventing crisises that don't exist. Nicks was underpaid by the Saints, period, that's why he left, end of story. The new guy is the new guy and has nothing to do with Nicks.

05-04-2012, 03:14 PM	#3
Saintlyone Registered Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 68	Did not read LULZ Another Brees thread....when he signs then awesome. Until then, I won't give a single damn.
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05-04-2012, 09:04 AM	#4
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,751	Originally Posted by SaintGup This is really for those of you that think Brees is greedy and wants Mickey Loomis to hold firm and not give him what he wants. I'm sick of people bashing Brees for doing what it seems ok for other players to do... Most passing yards by a Quarterback over a span of 5 years. Most passing yards in a single season Only Quarterback ever to hit 5,000+ yards twice. The most accurate quarterback ever (Only Quarterback to hit over 71% accuracy) Only Quarterback in NFL history to get 400+ yards in 4 consecutive playoff games. Led us to a Superbowl title Probably has the best leadership in the game today During the lockout, spend his own money to set up a training camp, including paying staff. Has helped the team and players to countless other records and is a respected member of the human race. Has played well over what he has been paid since 2006 Has other records that I haven't mentioned. Raised over $7,000,000 with his wife for the Brees Dream foundation and has no hesitation in giving back. Family man and man of faith (I am not a religious person but I do recognise the dedication of people who are and have faith) If anyone can think of anything else to add, feel free. The point I am trying to make is to get off the man's back! We know that he always points to his teammates rather than take the credit but we also know that to let him go would be the best move ever if we are wanting a mediocre team. Yes he is asking for a lot but doesn't he deserve to be a little selfish, especially since he is asking for it to be front loaded as he has been burned before. For those of you saying let him go because he's being greedy and it's about the team, remember those words when we have an ok Quarterback and are 8-8, 7-9, 4-12 etc. Because, unless there is a miracle if we let him go, that is what will happen. CUT THE GUY SOME SLACK! Dang!!! Those are some awEsome accomplishments. Theres no excuse for us not to offer to make Drew Brees the highest paid player in the NFL. Oh wait...WE ALREADY DID...TWICE!!! We need to cut ownership some slack. SapperSaint and ScottF like this.

05-04-2012, 09:15 AM	#5
Brandon428 100th Post Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Lafayette Posts: 158	Brees is an amazing QB,one of the best of all time but unfortunately this is still a business and it cost money to run a successful business! If Brees were the only employee than sure pay him the big bucks,but he’s not. SapperSaint likes this.

05-04-2012, 09:34 AM	#6
xan Professor Crab and Site Donor 2014 Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Princeton Posts: 3,372 Blog Entries: 34	Just to clarify my "morally deserving" reference: A sole moral claim is one in which no other party has any right to the fruits of work. If one can establish that the value Brees brings to the organization is in no way related to any other person in that organization, and that he would receive that compensation (in a relative sense) no matter when or where he was geographically and societally, then he is morally deserving of the compensation he seeks. My point is that the line had to block, the receivers had to catch, and the running backs had to run, the defense had to play and the kickers had to kick, the coach had to have a plan, the front office had to find talent, we had to buy tickets and the networks had to pay to televise. To claim Brees achieved what he has without at least partially attributing his success to the quality of the team around him would be difficult to justify morally. No one disputes he adds tremendous value, and that his compensation should reflect his contribution. Even Michael Phelps, who wins most of his races by himself, recognizes his entitlements from winning those races do not give him moral claim to the entirety of the fruits of his work. pherein and NuNu318 like this.
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05-04-2012, 10:35 AM	#7
RaginCajun83 Hou Saints Fan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Houston, Tx Posts: 5,050	Originally Posted by SaintGup Most passing yards by a Quarterback over a span of 5 years. Most passing yards in a single season Only Quarterback ever to hit 5,000+ yards twice. The most accurate quarterback ever (Only Quarterback to hit over 71% accuracy) Only Quarterback in NFL history to get 400+ yards in 4 consecutive playoff games. Led us to a Superbowl title Probably has the best leadership in the game today During the lockout, spend his own money to set up a training camp, including paying staff. Has helped the team and players to countless other records and is a respected member of the human race. Has played well over what he has been paid since 2006 Has other records that I haven't mentioned. Raised over $7,000,000 with his wife for the Brees Dream foundation and has no hesitation in giving back. Family man and man of faith (I am not a religious person but I do recognise the dedication of people who are and have faith) If in the spring of 2006, you told me that by the 2012 season, the quarterback of the Saints would accomplish all that .... I would of asked for what kind of bourbon you were drinking cause you'd have to be drunk to say that .... Drew means so much to this team and city that Loomis will pay him what is fair and a deal will get done before training camp, now that the team knows who is suspended I got a good feeling that Drew's deal will get done soon

05-04-2012, 10:40 AM	#8
SapperSaint Pink Nightmare Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Mississippi Posts: 3,028 Blog Entries: 7	SaintBro, I don't see how I am inventing anything. I don't control the Saints anymore than you do. Was Nicks underpaid? Yes. But I guess it is okay to over pay a player at the cost of losing other players. Say what you want. Call me dumb if you like. But I don't want a crap team (because we can't afford to keep or bring in good players) again and then say "But we have Drew Brees!" Do you?

05-05-2012, 08:42 AM	#9
SaintsBro Site Donor Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: in line with my ridiculous CLEAR PLASTIC BAG Posts: 3,650 Blog Entries: 3	Originally Posted by SapperSaint SaintBro, I don't see how I am inventing anything. I don't control the Saints anymore than you do. Was Nicks underpaid? Yes. But I guess it is okay to over pay a player at the cost of losing other players. Say what you want. Call me dumb if you like. But I don't want a crap team (because we can't afford to keep or bring in good players) again and then say "But we have Drew Brees!" Do you? No, I don't think you're dumb or anything like that. Please don't think I meant anything like that. I actually like your posts. I just think in the case of comparing the new guy to Nicks, you are "inventing" a crisis that hasn't happened yet. Nobody knows how this new guy is going to work out, he may turn out to be a stellar addition to the team at a fraction of the price of Nicks, which is exactly what we all want. Worrying about it before he's played a single down is counter-productive. That's all I meant. Unlike a lot of people here, I trust the Saints' front office to come up with a deal for Brees that is fair to both parties and keeps the team competitive for the rest of Brees' time here. SapperSaint likes this.

05-04-2012, 10:54 AM	#10
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	give drew the hornets as his signing bonus. that should make the deal cap freindly SapperSaint, QBREES9 and pherein like this.

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