Again, with Drew Brees...

pherein · 05-04-2012, 07:04 PM

Originally Posted by ScottF

Yes, Brees' accomplishments are great, but it's a team game.
Because we have to set aside money for him we traded down Nicks to Grubbs, and Meachem to Arrington. Next year will it be Graham and Bushrod? We can't weaken every other position just to keep one guy happy

The NFL is a QB league. Ask SF how far they got or the other teams without a elite QB. PM was the colts, Brady is NE. Without those guys they have very little hope of making it. When was the last non elite QB that won a SB, Dilfer ?
If you really think we have a shot without Brees I think your kidding yourselves. Teams don't fear the Saints, they fear Brees. They know how good he is.

ScottF · 05-04-2012, 09:10 PM

Originally Posted by pherein

The NFL is a QB league. Ask SF how far they got or the other teams without a elite QB. PM was the colts, Brady is NE. Without those guys they have very little hope of making it. When was the last non elite QB that won a SB, Dilfer ?
If you really think we have a shot without Brees I think your kidding yourselves. Teams don't fear the Saints, they fear Brees. They know how good he is.

so how much do you want to pay him? we offered him more money than anyone has ever made

Oh, and SF beat us, and one of the other QB's in the final four last year was Joe Flacco. Tebow and TJ Yates won as many playoff games as Brees last year. and not piling on, but the previous year Hasselbeck beat us as well
Of course Brees is better than all of them, but in the end it is still a team game

pherein · 05-04-2012, 10:02 PM

Originally Posted by ScottF

so how much do you want to pay him? we offered him more money than anyone has ever made

Oh, and SF beat us, and one of the other QB's in the final four last year was Joe Flacco. Tebow and TJ Yates won as many playoff games as Brees last year. and not piling on, but the previous year Hasselbeck beat us as well
Of course Brees is better than all of them, but in the end it is still a team game

You think I don't know our history ? Our defense sucks. Our offense made the points to win those games.So become a Tebow fan, Raven fan, texan, and spare all of us.
Why don't you explain what the saints were before Brees walked in that door?
You know, this becomes as bad as the time we had to defend Lance Moore.

His money has nothing to do with it, your silly statement that the Saints will be just fine without him is newbee or bandwagon at best.
Exactly who is Brees going to be replaced by ? Ill answer for you, you don't have a clue. In other words your willing to make a dramatic statement that hurts the team without forethought. Really sorry, not respecting that.

You seem to have a lot of serious decision your willing to make,but not one answer to solve your own action.

Go on its real simple, like you layed out, who's is the next QB equivalent to Brees ?

I can't tell you how sick I am of people down playing Brees or what he means to this ball club. He is doing what he needs to do to get his money. In the end he will be a Saint. But, saying we don't need him is becoming pretty stupid, and naive.

burningmetal · 05-05-2012, 01:41 AM

Originally Posted by pherein

You think I don't know our history ? Our defense sucks. Our offense made the points to win those games.So become a Tebow fan, Raven fan, texan, and spare all of us.
Why don't you explain what the saints were before Brees walked in that door?
You know, this becomes as bad as the time we had to defend Lance Moore.

His money has nothing to do with it, your silly statement that the Saints will be just fine without him is newbee or bandwagon at best.
Exactly who is Brees going to be replaced by ? Ill answer for you, you don't have a clue. In other words your willing to make a dramatic statement that hurts the team without forethought. Really sorry, not respecting that.

You seem to have a lot of serious decision your willing to make,but not one answer to solve your own action.

Go on its real simple, like you layed out, who's is the next QB equivalent to Brees ?

I can't tell you how sick I am of people down playing Brees or what he means to this ball club. He is doing what he needs to do to get his money. In the end he will be a Saint. But, saying we don't need him is becoming pretty stupid, and naive.

I think you really blew Scott's comment way out of proportion. At what point did he say that we didn't need Brees, or that we'd be just fine without him? He said that it is a team game, and I agree.

You continue to accuse all of us with this point of view of diminishing his importance. The overwhelming sentiment here, is that he is the most important player on the team, but even so you have to have a team around him, which we have. But we won't be able to keep that team around him if we're paying Drew 23 million a year.

And again, not to diminish anything Drew has done, because he is the biggest part of our success... But you asked Scott what we did before Drew got here, and the answer is obviously not much. But I'll also respond by asking you this. What happened before Sean Payton, Marques Colston, Lance Moore, Jahri Evans, Carl Nicks, Robert Meachem, Pierre Thomas, Jonathon Vilma, Jabari Greer, Tracy Porter, Darren Sproles, Jimmy Graham etc? All these players have been huge contributors to this team. Some are recent, some are gone now, and most of them have been here from the very beginning when Drew and Sean came in.

The point is not that we are better without Brees, the point is we need the whole team working together. There were a couple lean years between playoff appearances, when we had no defense and no running game. We've had to address the defense again, and also try to hold on to his weapons, and still offered him the richest deal, and he hasn't taken it. This isn't to bash Drew either, but it's more to defend management. What else can they do?

ScottF · 05-05-2012, 06:56 AM

Originally Posted by pherein

You think I don't know our history ? Our defense sucks. Our offense made the points to win those games. I know the history as well. In 1978 I was the only Saints fan in 3 Rivers Stadium and watched Manning throw for 300 yards only to lose in the the 4th. No surprise.
So become a Tebow fan, Raven fan, texan, and spare all of us. I AM A SAINTS FAN, AND WANT WHAT'S BEST FOR THE SAINTS. PAYING DREW 26 MIL IS NOT WHAT'S BEST
Why don't you explain what the saints were before Brees walked in that door?You know, this becomes as bad as the time we had to defend Lance Moore. [b] NOT REALLY THE SAME PLAYER, RIGHT? [/b}

His money has nothing to do with it, your silly statement that the Saints will be just fine without him is newbee or bandwagon at best. NEVER SAID THAT

Exactly who is Brees going to be replaced by ? Ill answer for you, you don't have a clue. In other words your willing to make a dramatic statement that hurts the team without forethought. Really sorry, not respecting that. WHAT 'DRAMATIC' STATEMENT?

You seem to have a lot of serious decision your willing to make,but not one answer to solve your own action. [b] NO, I DO HAVE A SOLUTION: SIGN DREW AND KEEP ALL OF THE COMPONENTS. YOUR SOLUTION IS TO OVERPAY A MAN WHO HAS MADE OVER $100 MILLION DOLLARS, AND THEN RISK LOSING OTHER PLAYERS WHO GIVE US A CHANCE TO WIN

Go on its real simple, like you layed out, who's is the next QB equivalent to Brees ?

I can't tell you how sick I am of people down playing Brees or what he means to this ball club. He is doing what he needs to do to get his money. In the end he will be a Saint. But, saying we don't need him is becoming pretty stupid, and naive. AND AGAIN, AT NO POINT DO I SAY THAT

moral of the story, Don't drink and post

pherein · 05-04-2012, 10:04 PM

delete this thanks halo

Rell&Gold · 05-04-2012, 07:02 PM

Without drew we would still be the aints how can y'all sit up here and try to diminish what he has done for the Saints & the City of New Orleans you are right he wasn't the only. One who puts in work on the field but he's one of the rare ones who can make people around him better...and without Brees we wouldn't have. Had a chance at a come back against the niner's give us 1 minute with the ball no doubt in my mind we win and if brees gets his deal we wouldn't have to cut anybody because he wants most of the money front loaded anyway he deserves the money he's earned it

Rell&Gold · 05-04-2012, 07:14 PM

We didn't trade Nicks or Meachem they were free agents and grubbs is a better run blocker than Nicks and Meachem was inconsistent also who says Arrington is the one to replace him?

pherein · 05-04-2012, 07:19 PM

Originally Posted by Rell&Gold

We didn't trade Nicks or Meachem they were free agents and grubbs is a better run blocker than Nicks and Meachem was inconsistent also who says Arrington is the one to replace him?

I think Arrington can. I really think Arrington has a shot of being better. I loved meachem, but your right, sometimes he would just disappear for 3-4 games. grubbs with our stable of RB's is a big up side, thats clock control.

burningmetal · 05-04-2012, 07:25 PM

Ben Roethlisberger sure isn't elite. A lot of people want to put him in that category because he has two rings, but really watch him play. He's a good quarterback, but he isn't the most consistent, and does some really stupid things. The Steelers have always been a defensive team.

No one here is saying we'll win a super bowl without Brees. We're simply pointing out the obvious, that he won't win a super bowl without his teammates. Drew deserves to be paid, but not in an unreasonable way. They offered the richest deal for a QB. Is that not fair? But he and his agent are trying to break the bank, and that just isn't fair to his teammates. I suspect this is more to do with Tom Condon doing his best Scott Boras impression, than it is Brees. But at some point, Drew needs to be there with his teammates, so this crap needs to end.

05-04-2012, 07:04 PM	#1
pherein failclownHunter Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: N.O. and V.A. Posts: 2,260 Blog Entries: 3	Originally Posted by ScottF Yes, Brees' accomplishments are great, but it's a team game. Because we have to set aside money for him we traded down Nicks to Grubbs, and Meachem to Arrington. Next year will it be Graham and Bushrod? We can't weaken every other position just to keep one guy happy The NFL is a QB league. Ask SF how far they got or the other teams without a elite QB. PM was the colts, Brady is NE. Without those guys they have very little hope of making it. When was the last non elite QB that won a SB, Dilfer ? If you really think we have a shot without Brees I think your kidding yourselves. Teams don't fear the Saints, they fear Brees. They know how good he is. Rugby Saint II likes this.

05-04-2012, 09:10 PM	#2
ScottF 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 6,324	Originally Posted by pherein The NFL is a QB league. Ask SF how far they got or the other teams without a elite QB. PM was the colts, Brady is NE. Without those guys they have very little hope of making it. When was the last non elite QB that won a SB, Dilfer ? If you really think we have a shot without Brees I think your kidding yourselves. Teams don't fear the Saints, they fear Brees. They know how good he is. so how much do you want to pay him? we offered him more money than anyone has ever made Oh, and SF beat us, and one of the other QB's in the final four last year was Joe Flacco. Tebow and TJ Yates won as many playoff games as Brees last year. and not piling on, but the previous year Hasselbeck beat us as well Of course Brees is better than all of them, but in the end it is still a team game SapperSaint likes this.

05-04-2012, 10:02 PM	#3
pherein failclownHunter Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: N.O. and V.A. Posts: 2,260 Blog Entries: 3	Originally Posted by ScottF so how much do you want to pay him? we offered him more money than anyone has ever made Oh, and SF beat us, and one of the other QB's in the final four last year was Joe Flacco. Tebow and TJ Yates won as many playoff games as Brees last year. and not piling on, but the previous year Hasselbeck beat us as well Of course Brees is better than all of them, but in the end it is still a team game You think I don't know our history ? Our defense sucks. Our offense made the points to win those games.So become a Tebow fan, Raven fan, texan, and spare all of us. Why don't you explain what the saints were before Brees walked in that door? You know, this becomes as bad as the time we had to defend Lance Moore. His money has nothing to do with it, your silly statement that the Saints will be just fine without him is newbee or bandwagon at best. Exactly who is Brees going to be replaced by ? Ill answer for you, you don't have a clue. In other words your willing to make a dramatic statement that hurts the team without forethought. Really sorry, not respecting that. You seem to have a lot of serious decision your willing to make,but not one answer to solve your own action. Go on its real simple, like you layed out, who's is the next QB equivalent to Brees ? I can't tell you how sick I am of people down playing Brees or what he means to this ball club. He is doing what he needs to do to get his money. In the end he will be a Saint. But, saying we don't need him is becoming pretty stupid, and naive. SaintsBro likes this.
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05-05-2012, 01:41 AM	#4
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Originally Posted by pherein You think I don't know our history ? Our defense sucks. Our offense made the points to win those games.So become a Tebow fan, Raven fan, texan, and spare all of us. Why don't you explain what the saints were before Brees walked in that door? You know, this becomes as bad as the time we had to defend Lance Moore. His money has nothing to do with it, your silly statement that the Saints will be just fine without him is newbee or bandwagon at best. Exactly who is Brees going to be replaced by ? Ill answer for you, you don't have a clue. In other words your willing to make a dramatic statement that hurts the team without forethought. Really sorry, not respecting that. You seem to have a lot of serious decision your willing to make,but not one answer to solve your own action. Go on its real simple, like you layed out, who's is the next QB equivalent to Brees ? I can't tell you how sick I am of people down playing Brees or what he means to this ball club. He is doing what he needs to do to get his money. In the end he will be a Saint. But, saying we don't need him is becoming pretty stupid, and naive. I think you really blew Scott's comment way out of proportion. At what point did he say that we didn't need Brees, or that we'd be just fine without him? He said that it is a team game, and I agree. You continue to accuse all of us with this point of view of diminishing his importance. The overwhelming sentiment here, is that he is the most important player on the team, but even so you have to have a team around him, which we have. But we won't be able to keep that team around him if we're paying Drew 23 million a year. And again, not to diminish anything Drew has done, because he is the biggest part of our success... But you asked Scott what we did before Drew got here, and the answer is obviously not much. But I'll also respond by asking you this. What happened before Sean Payton, Marques Colston, Lance Moore, Jahri Evans, Carl Nicks, Robert Meachem, Pierre Thomas, Jonathon Vilma, Jabari Greer, Tracy Porter, Darren Sproles, Jimmy Graham etc? All these players have been huge contributors to this team. Some are recent, some are gone now, and most of them have been here from the very beginning when Drew and Sean came in. The point is not that we are better without Brees, the point is we need the whole team working together. There were a couple lean years between playoff appearances, when we had no defense and no running game. We've had to address the defense again, and also try to hold on to his weapons, and still offered him the richest deal, and he hasn't taken it. This isn't to bash Drew either, but it's more to defend management. What else can they do? pherein likes this.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

05-05-2012, 06:56 AM	#5
ScottF 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 6,324	Originally Posted by pherein You think I don't know our history ? Our defense sucks. Our offense made the points to win those games. I know the history as well. In 1978 I was the only Saints fan in 3 Rivers Stadium and watched Manning throw for 300 yards only to lose in the the 4th. No surprise. So become a Tebow fan, Raven fan, texan, and spare all of us. I AM A SAINTS FAN, AND WANT WHAT'S BEST FOR THE SAINTS. PAYING DREW 26 MIL IS NOT WHAT'S BEST Why don't you explain what the saints were before Brees walked in that door?You know, this becomes as bad as the time we had to defend Lance Moore. [b] NOT REALLY THE SAME PLAYER, RIGHT? [/b} His money has nothing to do with it, your silly statement that the Saints will be just fine without him is newbee or bandwagon at best. NEVER SAID THAT Exactly who is Brees going to be replaced by ? Ill answer for you, you don't have a clue. In other words your willing to make a dramatic statement that hurts the team without forethought. Really sorry, not respecting that. WHAT 'DRAMATIC' STATEMENT? You seem to have a lot of serious decision your willing to make,but not one answer to solve your own action. [b] NO, I DO HAVE A SOLUTION: SIGN DREW AND KEEP ALL OF THE COMPONENTS. YOUR SOLUTION IS TO OVERPAY A MAN WHO HAS MADE OVER $100 MILLION DOLLARS, AND THEN RISK LOSING OTHER PLAYERS WHO GIVE US A CHANCE TO WIN Go on its real simple, like you layed out, who's is the next QB equivalent to Brees ? I can't tell you how sick I am of people down playing Brees or what he means to this ball club. He is doing what he needs to do to get his money. In the end he will be a Saint. But, saying we don't need him is becoming pretty stupid, and naive. AND AGAIN, AT NO POINT DO I SAY THAT moral of the story, Don't drink and post pherein likes this.

05-04-2012, 10:04 PM	#6
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05-04-2012, 07:02 PM	#7
Rell&Gold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Washington, D.C Posts: 2,891	Without drew we would still be the aints how can y'all sit up here and try to diminish what he has done for the Saints & the City of New Orleans you are right he wasn't the only. One who puts in work on the field but he's one of the rare ones who can make people around him better...and without Brees we wouldn't have. Had a chance at a come back against the niner's give us 1 minute with the ball no doubt in my mind we win and if brees gets his deal we wouldn't have to cut anybody because he wants most of the money front loaded anyway he deserves the money he's earned it

05-04-2012, 07:14 PM	#8
Rell&Gold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Washington, D.C Posts: 2,891	We didn't trade Nicks or Meachem they were free agents and grubbs is a better run blocker than Nicks and Meachem was inconsistent also who says Arrington is the one to replace him?

05-04-2012, 07:19 PM	#9
pherein failclownHunter Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: N.O. and V.A. Posts: 2,260 Blog Entries: 3	Originally Posted by Rell&Gold We didn't trade Nicks or Meachem they were free agents and grubbs is a better run blocker than Nicks and Meachem was inconsistent also who says Arrington is the one to replace him? I think Arrington can. I really think Arrington has a shot of being better. I loved meachem, but your right, sometimes he would just disappear for 3-4 games. grubbs with our stable of RB's is a big up side, thats clock control.
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05-04-2012, 07:25 PM	#10
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Ben Roethlisberger sure isn't elite. A lot of people want to put him in that category because he has two rings, but really watch him play. He's a good quarterback, but he isn't the most consistent, and does some really stupid things. The Steelers have always been a defensive team. No one here is saying we'll win a super bowl without Brees. We're simply pointing out the obvious, that he won't win a super bowl without his teammates. Drew deserves to be paid, but not in an unreasonable way. They offered the richest deal for a QB. Is that not fair? But he and his agent are trying to break the bank, and that just isn't fair to his teammates. I suspect this is more to do with Tom Condon doing his best Scott Boras impression, than it is Brees. But at some point, Drew needs to be there with his teammates, so this crap needs to end.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

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