Again, with Drew Brees...

pherein · 05-06-2012, 10:27 AM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

I think you really blew Scott's comment way out of proportion. At what point did he say that we didn't need Brees, or that we'd be just fine without him? He said that it is a team game, and I agree.

You continue to accuse all of us with this point of view of diminishing his importance. The overwhelming sentiment here, is that he is the most important player on the team, but even so you have to have a team around him, which we have. But we won't be able to keep that team around him if we're paying Drew 23 million a year.

And again, not to diminish anything Drew has done, because he is the biggest part of our success... But you asked Scott what we did before Drew got here, and the answer is obviously not much. But I'll also respond by asking you this. What happened before Sean Payton, Marques Colston, Lance Moore, Jahri Evans, Carl Nicks, Robert Meachem, Pierre Thomas, Jonathon Vilma, Jabari Greer, Tracy Porter, Darren Sproles, Jimmy Graham etc? All these players have been huge contributors to this team. Some are recent, some are gone now, and most of them have been here from the very beginning when Drew and Sean came in.

The point is not that we are better without Brees, the point is we need the whole team working together. There were a couple lean years between playoff appearances, when we had no defense and no running game. We've had to address the defense again, and also try to hold on to his weapons, and still offered him the richest deal, and he hasn't taken it. This isn't to bash Drew either, but it's more to defend management. What else can they do?

I don't know, just wait I guess. I think your right though. Scott just hit a nerve that night.
This implies that Brees is damaging the team, and that at some point we need to cut our losses. I might have went overboard with my response a little, but it wasn't by accident

""""Yes, Brees' accomplishments are great, but it's a team game.
Because we have to set aside money for him we traded down Nicks to Grubbs, and Meachem to Arrington. Next year will it be Graham and Bushrod? We can't weaken every other position just to keep one guy happy""""

We are all pretty much on our last nerve, because of the circus and ring leader Goodell has made of the Saints this year.

But the question still stands, who is replacing him ?
I consider this the most important question to be answered. Its not Drews problem that the office blew so much undeserved money on guys like Harper and Smith. Short of grabbing Colt McCoy, what is our alternative ?

What happened before those guy showed up was the 2006 NFC championship. You and scott are right about its a team, but we didn't need this team back then to get there. We did need Drew to get there, and I agree with both of you its a balancing act to get a team on the field.

But, I don't see how not having Brees on the field gives us any chance at all of reaching another playoff, even with all the talent we have amassed. The logical way to approach what Brees wants is to first, forget the money, and try to figure out how and who can fill the elite QB spot.

The colts struggled with this with PM, untimely deciding to pay PM, and have lesser talent on the field, and rarely were ever out of the playoffs. If PM wasn't injured, he would still be with the colts. NE's Brady has lesser talent than we do and constantly in the playoffs.
The 49ers have taken the other route to have a lesser QB and more talent, but have been in the playoffs once, with otherwise dismal seasons. Then beaten by Eli, an elite QB. I think we all know Brees torched the 49ers #1 defense and the seahawks , it was Williams that has failed us 2 playoffs in a row.
Unless we can answer the question, who is going to replace Brees, and give us an equal chance to win another Super Bowl. Then we need to pay him the most we can possible afford.
Or bite the other bullet and understand we probably won't be in the playoffs that much.

Personally, I consider these Brees threads a none issue. Brees is going to sign, and has no intent on going anywhere else. Condon will scream, rant ,counter offer, and wait to the last possible moment until he can squeezes every dollar he can get from loomie. Then Brees will sign.

05-06-2012, 10:27 AM	#25
pherein failclownHunter Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: N.O. and V.A. Posts: 2,260 Blog Entries: 3	Originally Posted by burningmetal I think you really blew Scott's comment way out of proportion. At what point did he say that we didn't need Brees, or that we'd be just fine without him? He said that it is a team game, and I agree. You continue to accuse all of us with this point of view of diminishing his importance. The overwhelming sentiment here, is that he is the most important player on the team, but even so you have to have a team around him, which we have. But we won't be able to keep that team around him if we're paying Drew 23 million a year. And again, not to diminish anything Drew has done, because he is the biggest part of our success... But you asked Scott what we did before Drew got here, and the answer is obviously not much. But I'll also respond by asking you this. What happened before Sean Payton, Marques Colston, Lance Moore, Jahri Evans, Carl Nicks, Robert Meachem, Pierre Thomas, Jonathon Vilma, Jabari Greer, Tracy Porter, Darren Sproles, Jimmy Graham etc? All these players have been huge contributors to this team. Some are recent, some are gone now, and most of them have been here from the very beginning when Drew and Sean came in. The point is not that we are better without Brees, the point is we need the whole team working together. There were a couple lean years between playoff appearances, when we had no defense and no running game. We've had to address the defense again, and also try to hold on to his weapons, and still offered him the richest deal, and he hasn't taken it. This isn't to bash Drew either, but it's more to defend management. What else can they do? I don't know, just wait I guess. I think your right though. Scott just hit a nerve that night. This implies that Brees is damaging the team, and that at some point we need to cut our losses. I might have went overboard with my response a little, but it wasn't by accident """"Yes, Brees' accomplishments are great, but it's a team game. Because we have to set aside money for him we traded down Nicks to Grubbs, and Meachem to Arrington. Next year will it be Graham and Bushrod? We can't weaken every other position just to keep one guy happy"""" We are all pretty much on our last nerve, because of the circus and ring leader Goodell has made of the Saints this year. But the question still stands, who is replacing him ? I consider this the most important question to be answered. Its not Drews problem that the office blew so much undeserved money on guys like Harper and Smith. Short of grabbing Colt McCoy, what is our alternative ? What happened before those guy showed up was the 2006 NFC championship. You and scott are right about its a team, but we didn't need this team back then to get there. We did need Drew to get there, and I agree with both of you its a balancing act to get a team on the field. But, I don't see how not having Brees on the field gives us any chance at all of reaching another playoff, even with all the talent we have amassed. The logical way to approach what Brees wants is to first, forget the money, and try to figure out how and who can fill the elite QB spot. The colts struggled with this with PM, untimely deciding to pay PM, and have lesser talent on the field, and rarely were ever out of the playoffs. If PM wasn't injured, he would still be with the colts. NE's Brady has lesser talent than we do and constantly in the playoffs. The 49ers have taken the other route to have a lesser QB and more talent, but have been in the playoffs once, with otherwise dismal seasons. Then beaten by Eli, an elite QB. I think we all know Brees torched the 49ers #1 defense and the seahawks , it was Williams that has failed us 2 playoffs in a row. Unless we can answer the question, who is going to replace Brees, and give us an equal chance to win another Super Bowl. Then we need to pay him the most we can possible afford. Or bite the other bullet and understand we probably won't be in the playoffs that much. Personally, I consider these Brees threads a none issue. Brees is going to sign, and has no intent on going anywhere else. Condon will scream, rant ,counter offer, and wait to the last possible moment until he can squeezes every dollar he can get from loomie. Then Brees will sign. ScottF likes this.
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