Union files grievances

Attached Thumbnails · 05-04-2012, 10:35 AM

This is a good one.
Its basically a Stature of Limitations. Well played Union, well played. The Saints can go free with this argument.

"In one grievance, filed under Article 43 of the labor deal, the union initially argues that Goodell lacks the authority to discipline players for conduct occurring before August 4, 2011, the date on which the current CBA was finalized. The grievance cites language releasing all players from conduct in which the players engaged before August 4, 2011.

The Article 43 grievance then argues that, as the discipline relates to any intention or effort or offer to injure opposing players, Ted Cottrell and Art Shell have authority over the appeal process, and not Goodell. Cottrell and Shell have been jointly appointed by the NFL and the NFLPA to handle the appeals of fines or suspensions for “conduct on the playing field with respect to an opposing player or players.” The NFLPA believes that the bounty allegations fall within the scope of that clause.

NFLPA grievances attempt to steer review process away from Goodell | ProFootballTalk

xan · 05-04-2012, 10:44 AM

This will go to court. If the above is true, expect a prolonged battle.

JimmyB1775 · 05-04-2012, 12:35 PM

Ok. But this does nothing for Payton, right? Does Payton's actions before the CBA still remain within douche-face's authority? (I won't type his name anymore)

How did their lawyers fail to see this? Granted, Williams' speech still occurred before the SF game, but bounties weren't mentioned.

Euphoria · 05-04-2012, 12:47 PM

Payton is screwed because he isn't in the NFLPA.

However, if the players actually get declared innocent, that they had no part in it... then I seriously think you have to review his status.

Halo · 05-04-2012, 01:07 PM

Originally Posted by Euphoria

Payton is screwed because he isn't in the NFLPA.

However, if the players actually get declared innocent, that they had no part in it... then I seriously think you have to review his status.

And that's what is disappointing about this.

I personally think Goodell went way too far with this. Had he punished Coaches fairly (Max 8 game suspension) and announced punishment for players (3 to 4 games each) at the same time, the NFLPA would not be fighting back.

Because Goodell has taken this WHOLE affair to another level for PR (which isn't going to help the NFL in court against brain injuries anyways) the NFLPA MUST fight this, otherwise they show approval for the dictatorial decisions of an overbearing commissioner.

TheOak · 05-04-2012, 01:07 PM

In this case there would be no innocent or guilty, there would be no final outcome except for an acquittal.

Sort of like a traffic cop not showing up for your court hearing.. Your neither guilty nor innocent.. your free to go!

Basically in the eyes of the law players are immune to prosecution or punishment to anything done before August 4 2011.

SapperSaint · 05-04-2012, 01:09 PM

Originally Posted by Euphoria

Payton is screwed because he isn't in the NFLPA.

However, if the players actually get declared innocent, that they had no part in it... then I seriously think you have to review his status.

I agree. But "if" this gets over turned in favor of the players; no way will Baddell let two "eggs" hit him in the face. He will punish Payton. I think if the NFLPA has him by the short and curlies on this; things are going to get very interesting in the upcoming weeks.

Halo · 05-04-2012, 01:10 PM

Originally Posted by x626xBlack

In this case there would be no innocent or guilty, there would be no final outcome except for an acquittal.

Sort of like a traffic cop not showing up for your court hearing.. Your neither guilty nor innocent.. your free to go!

Basically in the eyes of the law players are immune to prosecution or punishment to anything done before August 4 2011.

I totally agree, and it makes sense because the CBA was just re-signed with MAJOR changes. It wasn't a continuation of the old CBA.

As smart as the NFL acts with all their "evidence" they refuse to reveal, they failed to see this one coming.

Maybe the NFL needs to hire another group of CHUMP lawyers and former prosecutors to do some more thinking for them because the NFLPA is schooling them on this.

Halo · 05-04-2012, 01:12 PM

Originally Posted by SapperSaint

I agree. But "if" this gets over turned in favor of the players; no way will Baddell let two "eggs" hit him in the face. He will punish Payton. I think if the NFLPA has him by the short and curlies on this; things are going to get very interesting in the upcoming weeks.

It's plain and simple, there is NO Union for coaches. They aren't covered under the NFLPA. Therefore, the NFL's decision stands with Payton for now.

TheOak · 05-04-2012, 01:21 PM

Here is a 81tch of an angle for you.

What "if" one shred of evidence shows that "things" took place between August 4th 2011 and now. There is a whole entire season in there.

Its back on again..... With a twist.

Fujita gets no punishment, went to browns after 2009 season
Hargrove walks also. He signed with the Seahawks on Sep 9 2011

Smith and Vilma.... Still have to fight.

05-04-2012, 10:35 AM	#1
Threaded by Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5 Rating: (0 votes - average) This is a good one. Its basically a Stature of Limitations. Well played Union, well played. The Saints can go free with this argument. "In one grievance, filed under Article 43 of the labor deal, the union initially argues that Goodell lacks the authority to discipline players for conduct occurring before August 4, 2011, the date on which the current CBA was finalized. The grievance cites language releasing all players from conduct in which the players engaged before August 4, 2011. The Article 43 grievance then argues that, as the discipline relates to any intention or effort or offer to injure opposing players, Ted Cottrell and Art Shell have authority over the appeal process, and not Goodell. Cottrell and Shell have been jointly appointed by the NFL and the NFLPA to handle the appeals of fines or suspensions for “conduct on the playing field with respect to an opposing player or players.” The NFLPA believes that the bounty allegations fall within the scope of that clause. NFLPA grievances attempt to steer review process away from Goodell \| ProFootballTalk Attached Thumbnails Halo, UK_WhoDat, RockyMountainSaint and 2 others like this. Last edited by Halo; 05-04-2012 at 02:26 PM..
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05-04-2012, 12:47 PM	#4
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Payton is screwed because he isn't in the NFLPA. However, if the players actually get declared innocent, that they had no part in it... then I seriously think you have to review his status. Halo and RockyMountainSaint like this.

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Halo Site Donor MONTHLY Join Date: May 2002 Location: New Orleans, LA Posts: 20,605 Blog Entries: 45	Originally Posted by Euphoria Payton is screwed because he isn't in the NFLPA. However, if the players actually get declared innocent, that they had no part in it... then I seriously think you have to review his status. And that's what is disappointing about this. I personally think Goodell went way too far with this. Had he punished Coaches fairly (Max 8 game suspension) and announced punishment for players (3 to 4 games each) at the same time, the NFLPA would not be fighting back. Because Goodell has taken this WHOLE affair to another level for PR (which isn't going to help the NFL in court against brain injuries anyways) the NFLPA MUST fight this, otherwise they show approval for the dictatorial decisions of an overbearing commissioner. iceshack149, RockyMountainSaint, pumpkindriver and 1 others like this.

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SapperSaint Pink Nightmare Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Mississippi Posts: 3,028 Blog Entries: 7	Originally Posted by Euphoria Payton is screwed because he isn't in the NFLPA. However, if the players actually get declared innocent, that they had no part in it... then I seriously think you have to review his status. I agree. But "if" this gets over turned in favor of the players; no way will Baddell let two "eggs" hit him in the face. He will punish Payton. I think if the NFLPA has him by the short and curlies on this; things are going to get very interesting in the upcoming weeks.

05-04-2012, 01:10 PM	#8
Halo Site Donor MONTHLY Join Date: May 2002 Location: New Orleans, LA Posts: 20,605 Blog Entries: 45	Originally Posted by x626xBlack In this case there would be no innocent or guilty, there would be no final outcome except for an acquittal. Sort of like a traffic cop not showing up for your court hearing.. Your neither guilty nor innocent.. your free to go! Basically in the eyes of the law players are immune to prosecution or punishment to anything done before August 4 2011. I totally agree, and it makes sense because the CBA was just re-signed with MAJOR changes. It wasn't a continuation of the old CBA. As smart as the NFL acts with all their "evidence" they refuse to reveal, they failed to see this one coming. Maybe the NFL needs to hire another group of CHUMP lawyers and former prosecutors to do some more thinking for them because the NFLPA is schooling them on this. SmashMouth, \|Mitch\|, pherein and 1 others like this.

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05-04-2012, 10:44 AM	#2
xan Professor Crab and Site Donor 2014 Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Princeton Posts: 3,369 Blog Entries: 34	This will go to court. If the above is true, expect a prolonged battle.

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JimmyB1775 100th Post Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: San Diego Posts: 216 Blog Entries: 1	Ok. But this does nothing for Payton, right? Does Payton's actions before the CBA still remain within douche-face's authority? (I won't type his name anymore) How did their lawyers fail to see this? Granted, Williams' speech still occurred before the SF game, but bounties weren't mentioned.

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TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	In this case there would be no innocent or guilty, there would be no final outcome except for an acquittal. Sort of like a traffic cop not showing up for your court hearing.. Your neither guilty nor innocent.. your free to go! Basically in the eyes of the law players are immune to prosecution or punishment to anything done before August 4 2011.

05-04-2012, 01:12 PM	#9
Halo Site Donor MONTHLY Join Date: May 2002 Location: New Orleans, LA Posts: 20,605 Blog Entries: 45	Originally Posted by SapperSaint I agree. But "if" this gets over turned in favor of the players; no way will Baddell let two "eggs" hit him in the face. He will punish Payton. I think if the NFLPA has him by the short and curlies on this; things are going to get very interesting in the upcoming weeks. It's plain and simple, there is NO Union for coaches. They aren't covered under the NFLPA. Therefore, the NFL's decision stands with Payton for now.

05-04-2012, 01:21 PM	#10
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Here is a 81tch of an angle for you. What "if" one shred of evidence shows that "things" took place between August 4th 2011 and now. There is a whole entire season in there. Its back on again..... With a twist. Fujita gets no punishment, went to browns after 2009 season Hargrove walks also. He signed with the Seahawks on Sep 9 2011 Smith and Vilma.... Still have to fight.