Why Vilma v. Goodell is much more than just a defamation lawsuit

05-18-2012, 11:24 AM

Originally Posted by MatthewT

Well, like it or not, Vilma has now put himself in a position that he must win or his NFL career is over. I get that he should appeal his year long suspension, but seriously, suing Goodell is going to blacklist him, of course unofficially but officially. I do respect that Vilma has the mindset to challenge them, good for him, hope he wins and gets his suspension overturned.

It was likely over anyway.... that was a miscalculation by Herr Fuhrer Goodell.

Rugby Saint II · 05-18-2012, 12:07 PM

Could somebody throw a little more gas on Godhell? I've got a match.

buckblaster1 · 05-18-2012, 08:37 PM

i think all vilma wants in this is to see the so called evidence the nfl has against him that they wouldnt show him during the appeals process. by suing goodell his lawyer could subpena these files and have to make them public. and then the world could see this so called evidence and determine for themselves just how good it is.

mutineer10 · 05-19-2012, 12:05 AM

Originally Posted by QBREES9

Man is the UGLIEST off season the SAINTS have ever had.

And man, that's sayin' something ...

AlaskaSaints · 05-19-2012, 12:34 AM

Would Ray Lewis allow himself to get punked by Goodell? I think NOT.

Enjoy the hotseat, Roger. Then we'll welcome Vilma back into the fold.

Alaska

SloMotion · 05-19-2012, 10:16 AM

Originally Posted by buckblaster1

i think all vilma wants in this is to see the so called evidence the nfl has against him that they wouldnt show him during the appeals process. by suing goodell his lawyer could subpena these files and have to make them public. and then the world could see this so called evidence and determine for themselves just how good it is.

... that and put an end to Goodell's bullying by possibly taking a bullet for the rest of the league ... best of luck, JV, 'stick it to the man'.

ScottF · 05-19-2012, 10:40 AM

Originally Posted by Beastmode

As for the evidence, I have a feeling all he has is a big stack of testimonies from people who do not want to get involved beyond making confidential statements. That is not going to fly. These people will in fact have to swear under oath. This could be a big problem for Goodell. If they didn't want to be known then they certainly won't want to be known now. Even if the court promises to protect their identity that may not be enough. They could just say, um....no thanks.

Yes, but it works both ways---Vilma will need to swear under oath as well. He could actually face criminal charges based on testimony.
He must be confident, plus he has hired the NFL-Killer lawyer Ginsberg.

ScottF · 05-19-2012, 10:42 AM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

Could somebody throw a little more gas on Godhell? I've got a match.

read my sig. line

the-commish · 05-19-2012, 03:22 PM

These "anonymous" sources will have to be revealed in court. Goddell can't have his "unnamed sources" now that Vilma has said, "I want to know who is accusing me, and what they are accusing me of." And, in a court of law, Vilma has that right under our constitution.

I think Goddell has really stepped in it now, and I would not be at all surprised if the owners stepped in, and told Goddell to slow down.

OldMaid · 05-19-2012, 10:04 PM

Well, this can really be interesting.
One part of me just wants this thing to be over with and the 2012 season to start and for the Saints to coming out winning. Do instead of talk.
Then on the other hand, the bountygate talk, TALK was very bad, stupid, immoral, ugly talk. TALK. Where is the proof that the Saints tried to take out players and played nasty and dirty with late hits?
Where?
I keep seeing the NFL Net show Saints ; tackles same as any other club.
As far the NFL using the Saints "bad talk" as proof that this NFL has player safety first and using this as a proof in concussion lawsuits, well, I doubt that works. When you allow helemt to helmet hits sometimes, that throws this out.

Vilma wanting to take this further, ok,might be good for Saints in that name names ,sources , proof . Show the evidence.

05-18-2012, 11:24 AM	#11
Threaded by SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,123 Blog Entries: 29 Rating: (0 votes - average) Originally Posted by MatthewT Well, like it or not, Vilma has now put himself in a position that he must win or his NFL career is over. I get that he should appeal his year long suspension, but seriously, suing Goodell is going to blacklist him, of course unofficially but officially. I do respect that Vilma has the mindset to challenge them, good for him, hope he wins and gets his suspension overturned. It was likely over anyway.... that was a miscalculation by Herr Fuhrer Goodell. pherein and SloMotion like this.
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05-18-2012, 12:07 PM	#12
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05-18-2012, 08:37 PM	#13
buckblaster1 Registered Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 30	i think all vilma wants in this is to see the so called evidence the nfl has against him that they wouldnt show him during the appeals process. by suing goodell his lawyer could subpena these files and have to make them public. and then the world could see this so called evidence and determine for themselves just how good it is. SloMotion likes this.
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05-19-2012, 12:05 AM	#14
mutineer10 Site Donor Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Baton Rouge, LA Posts: 1,739	Originally Posted by QBREES9 Man is the UGLIEST off season the SAINTS have ever had. And man, that's sayin' something ... Rugby Saint II and pherein like this.

05-19-2012, 10:16 AM	#16
SloMotion 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 6,776 Blog Entries: 15	Originally Posted by buckblaster1 i think all vilma wants in this is to see the so called evidence the nfl has against him that they wouldnt show him during the appeals process. by suing goodell his lawyer could subpena these files and have to make them public. and then the world could see this so called evidence and determine for themselves just how good it is. ... that and put an end to Goodell's bullying by possibly taking a bullet for the rest of the league ... best of luck, JV, 'stick it to the man'. pherein likes this.

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05-19-2012, 12:34 AM	#15
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05-19-2012, 10:40 AM	#17
ScottF 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 6,324	Originally Posted by Beastmode As for the evidence, I have a feeling all he has is a big stack of testimonies from people who do not want to get involved beyond making confidential statements. That is not going to fly. These people will in fact have to swear under oath. This could be a big problem for Goodell. If they didn't want to be known then they certainly won't want to be known now. Even if the court promises to protect their identity that may not be enough. They could just say, um....no thanks. Yes, but it works both ways---Vilma will need to swear under oath as well. He could actually face criminal charges based on testimony. He must be confident, plus he has hired the NFL-Killer lawyer Ginsberg.

05-19-2012, 10:42 AM	#18
ScottF 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 6,324	Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II Could somebody throw a little more gas on Godhell? I've got a match. read my sig. line Rugby Saint II likes this.

05-19-2012, 03:22 PM	#19
the-commish Longtime WhoDat Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Henderson, NV Posts: 529	These "anonymous" sources will have to be revealed in court. Goddell can't have his "unnamed sources" now that Vilma has said, "I want to know who is accusing me, and what they are accusing me of." And, in a court of law, Vilma has that right under our constitution. I think Goddell has really stepped in it now, and I would not be at all surprised if the owners stepped in, and told Goddell to slow down.

05-19-2012, 10:04 PM	#20
OldMaid Site Donor 2014 Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 2,910 Blog Entries: 3	Well, this can really be interesting. One part of me just wants this thing to be over with and the 2012 season to start and for the Saints to coming out winning. Do instead of talk. Then on the other hand, the bountygate talk, TALK was very bad, stupid, immoral, ugly talk. TALK. Where is the proof that the Saints tried to take out players and played nasty and dirty with late hits? Where? I keep seeing the NFL Net show Saints ; tackles same as any other club. As far the NFL using the Saints "bad talk" as proof that this NFL has player safety first and using this as a proof in concussion lawsuits, well, I doubt that works. When you allow helemt to helmet hits sometimes, that throws this out. Vilma wanting to take this further, ok,might be good for Saints in that name names ,sources , proof . Show the evidence.

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