Why Vilma v. Goodell is much more than just a defamation lawsuit

mutineer10 · 05-18-2012, 11:05 PM

Originally Posted by QBREES9

Man is the UGLIEST off season the SAINTS have ever had.

And man, that's sayin' something ...

Beastmode · 05-18-2012, 10:23 AM

As for the evidence, I have a feeling all he has is a big stack of testimonies from people who do not want to get involved beyond making confidential statements. That is not going to fly. These people will in fact have to swear under oath. This could be a big problem for Goodell. If they didn't want to be known then they certainly won't want to be known now. Even if the court promises to protect their identity that may not be enough. They could just say, um....no thanks.

ScottF · 05-19-2012, 09:40 AM

Originally Posted by Beastmode

As for the evidence, I have a feeling all he has is a big stack of testimonies from people who do not want to get involved beyond making confidential statements. That is not going to fly. These people will in fact have to swear under oath. This could be a big problem for Goodell. If they didn't want to be known then they certainly won't want to be known now. Even if the court promises to protect their identity that may not be enough. They could just say, um....no thanks.

Yes, but it works both ways---Vilma will need to swear under oath as well. He could actually face criminal charges based on testimony.
He must be confident, plus he has hired the NFL-Killer lawyer Ginsberg.

Beastmode · 05-19-2012, 10:17 PM

Originally Posted by ScottF

Yes, but it works both ways---Vilma will need to swear under oath as well. He could actually face criminal charges based on testimony.
He must be confident, plus he has hired the NFL-Killer lawyer Ginsberg.

Goodell has stated on ESPN he has 2,000 individual statements that he took in private. That's about 2 a day over the last 3 years, remarkable. But ok, I'll buy it.

What I don't buy is of all these these people, nobody decided to just say screw it and come forward to the public either for monetary or morale reasons regarding bounties to injure players on any team....not a single one? Amazing!

If I were Vilma's lawyer I would be feeling fairly confident that Goodell won't be able to get any of them to testify under oath. Vilma has already stated he was not involved. So where does that leave us? Goodell is going to have to pull a rabbit out of a hat. Maybe he can, but for someone who submitted a sham email from a convict as evidence I don't think he's going to pull anything out of that hat except lent.

ScottF · 05-20-2012, 08:52 AM

Originally Posted by Beastmode

What I don't buy is of all these these people, nobody decided to just say screw it and come forward to the public either for monetary or morale reasons regarding bounties to injure players on any team....not a single one? Amazing!

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Great Point, especially when you consider that the majority of those statements have to be from players, or personnel close to the team.

AsylumGuido · 05-20-2012, 05:12 PM

Originally Posted by Beastmode

Goodell has stated on ESPN he has 2,000 individual statements that he took in private.

Do you have a link to this? I really doubt its validity. Not doubting you heard it, but I want to see it.

Beastmode · 05-20-2012, 06:39 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Do you have a link to this? I really doubt its validity. Not doubting you heard it, but I want to see it.

It's actually over two dozen, not 2K, so I apologize, I just misheard it but still, if you watch the video there are other thing that are confusing.

Like the email not "not as big as a factor (2:15)" when that was the main thing pushed on the public. Then "we put together all of our information and released all of our information on March 2nd (3:20)" that is in fact a lie. We are still waiting...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...uoFirJQyk#t=0s

pherein · 05-20-2012, 08:37 PM

Originally Posted by Beastmode

Goodell has stated on ESPN he has 2,000 individual statements that he took in private. That's about 2 a day over the last 3 years, remarkable. But ok, I'll buy it.

What I don't buy is of all these these people, nobody decided to just say screw it and come forward to the public either for monetary or morale reasons regarding bounties to injure players on any team....not a single one? Amazing!

If I were Vilma's lawyer I would be feeling fairly confident that Goodell won't be able to get any of them to testify under oath. Vilma has already stated he was not involved. So where does that leave us? Goodell is going to have to pull a rabbit out of a hat. Maybe he can, but for someone who submitted a sham email from a convict as evidence I don't think he's going to pull anything out of that hat except lent.

Yes., and I think people need to realize that the evidence that Goodell has, villa's lawyers know about.
All of the documents were freely given to the NFL by the Saints HO, they didn't raid the Dome. So, Vilma's lawyers have looked over everything given to the NFL, and see no case. Short of a confession no one knows about, I can't see how Goodell will justify his comments. But, Vilma will have to explain his also.

Rugby Saint II · 05-18-2012, 11:07 AM

Could somebody throw a little more gas on Godhell? I've got a match.

ScottF · 05-19-2012, 09:42 AM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

Could somebody throw a little more gas on Godhell? I've got a match.

read my sig. line

05-18-2012, 11:05 PM	#1
mutineer10 Site Donor Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Baton Rouge, LA Posts: 1,739	Originally Posted by QBREES9 Man is the UGLIEST off season the SAINTS have ever had. And man, that's sayin' something ... Rugby Saint II and pherein like this.

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Beastmode 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 9,126	As for the evidence, I have a feeling all he has is a big stack of testimonies from people who do not want to get involved beyond making confidential statements. That is not going to fly. These people will in fact have to swear under oath. This could be a big problem for Goodell. If they didn't want to be known then they certainly won't want to be known now. Even if the court promises to protect their identity that may not be enough. They could just say, um....no thanks. UK_WhoDat, the-commish and SloMotion like this.
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05-19-2012, 09:40 AM	#3
ScottF 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 6,324	Originally Posted by Beastmode As for the evidence, I have a feeling all he has is a big stack of testimonies from people who do not want to get involved beyond making confidential statements. That is not going to fly. These people will in fact have to swear under oath. This could be a big problem for Goodell. If they didn't want to be known then they certainly won't want to be known now. Even if the court promises to protect their identity that may not be enough. They could just say, um....no thanks. Yes, but it works both ways---Vilma will need to swear under oath as well. He could actually face criminal charges based on testimony. He must be confident, plus he has hired the NFL-Killer lawyer Ginsberg.

05-19-2012, 10:17 PM	#4
Beastmode 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 9,126	Originally Posted by ScottF Yes, but it works both ways---Vilma will need to swear under oath as well. He could actually face criminal charges based on testimony. He must be confident, plus he has hired the NFL-Killer lawyer Ginsberg. Goodell has stated on ESPN he has 2,000 individual statements that he took in private. That's about 2 a day over the last 3 years, remarkable. But ok, I'll buy it. What I don't buy is of all these these people, nobody decided to just say screw it and come forward to the public either for monetary or morale reasons regarding bounties to injure players on any team....not a single one? Amazing! If I were Vilma's lawyer I would be feeling fairly confident that Goodell won't be able to get any of them to testify under oath. Vilma has already stated he was not involved. So where does that leave us? Goodell is going to have to pull a rabbit out of a hat. Maybe he can, but for someone who submitted a sham email from a convict as evidence I don't think he's going to pull anything out of that hat except lent. Halo, pherein and sharke like this.
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05-20-2012, 08:52 AM	#5
ScottF 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 6,324	Originally Posted by Beastmode What I don't buy is of all these these people, nobody decided to just say screw it and come forward to the public either for monetary or morale reasons regarding bounties to injure players on any team....not a single one? Amazing! . Great Point, especially when you consider that the majority of those statements have to be from players, or personnel close to the team.

05-20-2012, 05:12 PM	#6
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Originally Posted by Beastmode Goodell has stated on ESPN he has 2,000 individual statements that he took in private. Do you have a link to this? I really doubt its validity. Not doubting you heard it, but I want to see it.

05-20-2012, 06:39 PM	#7
Beastmode 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 9,126	Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Do you have a link to this? I really doubt its validity. Not doubting you heard it, but I want to see it. It's actually over two dozen, not 2K, so I apologize, I just misheard it but still, if you watch the video there are other thing that are confusing. Like the email not "not as big as a factor (2:15)" when that was the main thing pushed on the public. Then "we put together all of our information and released all of our information on March 2nd (3:20)" that is in fact a lie. We are still waiting... http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...uoFirJQyk#t=0s
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pherein failclownHunter Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: N.O. and V.A. Posts: 2,260 Blog Entries: 3	Originally Posted by Beastmode Goodell has stated on ESPN he has 2,000 individual statements that he took in private. That's about 2 a day over the last 3 years, remarkable. But ok, I'll buy it. What I don't buy is of all these these people, nobody decided to just say screw it and come forward to the public either for monetary or morale reasons regarding bounties to injure players on any team....not a single one? Amazing! If I were Vilma's lawyer I would be feeling fairly confident that Goodell won't be able to get any of them to testify under oath. Vilma has already stated he was not involved. So where does that leave us? Goodell is going to have to pull a rabbit out of a hat. Maybe he can, but for someone who submitted a sham email from a convict as evidence I don't think he's going to pull anything out of that hat except lent. Yes., and I think people need to realize that the evidence that Goodell has, villa's lawyers know about. All of the documents were freely given to the NFL by the Saints HO, they didn't raid the Dome. So, Vilma's lawyers have looked over everything given to the NFL, and see no case. Short of a confession no one knows about, I can't see how Goodell will justify his comments. But, Vilma will have to explain his also.
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