Why Vilma v. Goodell is much more than just a defamation lawsuit

05-19-2012, 11:17 PM

Originally Posted by ScottF

Yes, but it works both ways---Vilma will need to swear under oath as well. He could actually face criminal charges based on testimony.
He must be confident, plus he has hired the NFL-Killer lawyer Ginsberg.

Goodell has stated on ESPN he has 2,000 individual statements that he took in private. That's about 2 a day over the last 3 years, remarkable. But ok, I'll buy it.

What I don't buy is of all these these people, nobody decided to just say screw it and come forward to the public either for monetary or morale reasons regarding bounties to injure players on any team....not a single one? Amazing!

If I were Vilma's lawyer I would be feeling fairly confident that Goodell won't be able to get any of them to testify under oath. Vilma has already stated he was not involved. So where does that leave us? Goodell is going to have to pull a rabbit out of a hat. Maybe he can, but for someone who submitted a sham email from a convict as evidence I don't think he's going to pull anything out of that hat except lent.

ScottF · 05-20-2012, 09:52 AM

Originally Posted by Beastmode

What I don't buy is of all these these people, nobody decided to just say screw it and come forward to the public either for monetary or morale reasons regarding bounties to injure players on any team....not a single one? Amazing!

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Great Point, especially when you consider that the majority of those statements have to be from players, or personnel close to the team.

UK_WhoDat · 05-20-2012, 01:53 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

Could somebody throw a little more gas on Godhell? I've got a match.

Take your turn. Vilma is gonna burn him first.

AsylumGuido · 05-20-2012, 06:12 PM

Originally Posted by Beastmode

Goodell has stated on ESPN he has 2,000 individual statements that he took in private.

Do you have a link to this? I really doubt its validity. Not doubting you heard it, but I want to see it.

Beastmode · 05-20-2012, 07:39 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Do you have a link to this? I really doubt its validity. Not doubting you heard it, but I want to see it.

It's actually over two dozen, not 2K, so I apologize, I just misheard it but still, if you watch the video there are other thing that are confusing.

Like the email not "not as big as a factor (2:15)" when that was the main thing pushed on the public. Then "we put together all of our information and released all of our information on March 2nd (3:20)" that is in fact a lie. We are still waiting...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...uoFirJQyk#t=0s

pherein · 05-20-2012, 09:37 PM

Originally Posted by Beastmode

Goodell has stated on ESPN he has 2,000 individual statements that he took in private. That's about 2 a day over the last 3 years, remarkable. But ok, I'll buy it.

What I don't buy is of all these these people, nobody decided to just say screw it and come forward to the public either for monetary or morale reasons regarding bounties to injure players on any team....not a single one? Amazing!

If I were Vilma's lawyer I would be feeling fairly confident that Goodell won't be able to get any of them to testify under oath. Vilma has already stated he was not involved. So where does that leave us? Goodell is going to have to pull a rabbit out of a hat. Maybe he can, but for someone who submitted a sham email from a convict as evidence I don't think he's going to pull anything out of that hat except lent.

Yes., and I think people need to realize that the evidence that Goodell has, villa's lawyers know about.
All of the documents were freely given to the NFL by the Saints HO, they didn't raid the Dome. So, Vilma's lawyers have looked over everything given to the NFL, and see no case. Short of a confession no one knows about, I can't see how Goodell will justify his comments. But, Vilma will have to explain his also.

ScottF · 05-21-2012, 04:53 PM

Really interested to see RG's play here. Does he spend the time and money (and risk) and go balls to the walls to defend himself? does he cut a deal?

The only thing in his favor (other than supposed evidence) is that Vilma and Ginsburg have to prove intended malice by RG's action. That is subjective at best, but since we all know the punishments are for lying and not hitting, it just might work.

It seems like RG is all-in no matter what he does.

SaintsBro · 05-21-2012, 05:06 PM

I don't think there is a deal or settlement Goodell could cut, in a defamation case, that would pull Vilma off the attack now, if Vilma thinks he has genuinely been defamed

sharke · 05-21-2012, 05:15 PM

Originally Posted by SaintsBro

I don't think there is a deal or settlement Goodell could cut, in a defamation case, that would pull Vilma off the attack now, if Vilma thinks he has genuinely been defamed

Agreed, by all accounts Vilma is insanely intelligent, so highly unlikely that this was a heat of the moment decision and be placated. Vilma is a shark out for blood.

ScottF · 05-21-2012, 08:52 PM

Originally Posted by SaintsBro

I don't think there is a deal or settlement Goodell could cut, in a defamation case, that would pull Vilma off the attack now, if Vilma thinks he has genuinely been defamed

Sure he could- "After re-examining the evidence and looking at new material, I now find that Vilma was not guilty. Suspension over."

05-19-2012, 11:17 PM	#21
Threaded by Beastmode 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 9,126 Rating: (0 votes - average) Originally Posted by ScottF Yes, but it works both ways---Vilma will need to swear under oath as well. He could actually face criminal charges based on testimony. He must be confident, plus he has hired the NFL-Killer lawyer Ginsberg. Goodell has stated on ESPN he has 2,000 individual statements that he took in private. That's about 2 a day over the last 3 years, remarkable. But ok, I'll buy it. What I don't buy is of all these these people, nobody decided to just say screw it and come forward to the public either for monetary or morale reasons regarding bounties to injure players on any team....not a single one? Amazing! If I were Vilma's lawyer I would be feeling fairly confident that Goodell won't be able to get any of them to testify under oath. Vilma has already stated he was not involved. So where does that leave us? Goodell is going to have to pull a rabbit out of a hat. Maybe he can, but for someone who submitted a sham email from a convict as evidence I don't think he's going to pull anything out of that hat except lent. Halo, pherein and sharke like this.
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05-20-2012, 09:52 AM	#22
ScottF 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 6,324	Originally Posted by Beastmode What I don't buy is of all these these people, nobody decided to just say screw it and come forward to the public either for monetary or morale reasons regarding bounties to injure players on any team....not a single one? Amazing! . Great Point, especially when you consider that the majority of those statements have to be from players, or personnel close to the team.

05-20-2012, 01:53 PM	#23
UK_WhoDat 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Wherever I lay my hat Posts: 3,983	Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II Could somebody throw a little more gas on Godhell? I've got a match. Take your turn. Vilma is gonna burn him first. Rugby Saint II and sharke like this.

05-20-2012, 06:12 PM	#24
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Originally Posted by Beastmode Goodell has stated on ESPN he has 2,000 individual statements that he took in private. Do you have a link to this? I really doubt its validity. Not doubting you heard it, but I want to see it.

05-20-2012, 07:39 PM	#25
Beastmode 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 9,126	Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Do you have a link to this? I really doubt its validity. Not doubting you heard it, but I want to see it. It's actually over two dozen, not 2K, so I apologize, I just misheard it but still, if you watch the video there are other thing that are confusing. Like the email not "not as big as a factor (2:15)" when that was the main thing pushed on the public. Then "we put together all of our information and released all of our information on March 2nd (3:20)" that is in fact a lie. We are still waiting... http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...uoFirJQyk#t=0s
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05-20-2012, 09:37 PM	#26
pherein failclownHunter Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: N.O. and V.A. Posts: 2,260 Blog Entries: 3	Originally Posted by Beastmode Goodell has stated on ESPN he has 2,000 individual statements that he took in private. That's about 2 a day over the last 3 years, remarkable. But ok, I'll buy it. What I don't buy is of all these these people, nobody decided to just say screw it and come forward to the public either for monetary or morale reasons regarding bounties to injure players on any team....not a single one? Amazing! If I were Vilma's lawyer I would be feeling fairly confident that Goodell won't be able to get any of them to testify under oath. Vilma has already stated he was not involved. So where does that leave us? Goodell is going to have to pull a rabbit out of a hat. Maybe he can, but for someone who submitted a sham email from a convict as evidence I don't think he's going to pull anything out of that hat except lent. Yes., and I think people need to realize that the evidence that Goodell has, villa's lawyers know about. All of the documents were freely given to the NFL by the Saints HO, they didn't raid the Dome. So, Vilma's lawyers have looked over everything given to the NFL, and see no case. Short of a confession no one knows about, I can't see how Goodell will justify his comments. But, Vilma will have to explain his also.
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05-21-2012, 04:53 PM	#27
ScottF 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 6,324	Really interested to see RG's play here. Does he spend the time and money (and risk) and go balls to the walls to defend himself? does he cut a deal? The only thing in his favor (other than supposed evidence) is that Vilma and Ginsburg have to prove intended malice by RG's action. That is subjective at best, but since we all know the punishments are for lying and not hitting, it just might work. It seems like RG is all-in no matter what he does.

05-21-2012, 05:06 PM	#28
SaintsBro Site Donor Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: in line with my ridiculous CLEAR PLASTIC BAG Posts: 3,650 Blog Entries: 3	I don't think there is a deal or settlement Goodell could cut, in a defamation case, that would pull Vilma off the attack now, if Vilma thinks he has genuinely been defamed

05-21-2012, 05:15 PM	#29
sharke evil decepticon Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: St. Augustine, FL Posts: 583	Originally Posted by SaintsBro I don't think there is a deal or settlement Goodell could cut, in a defamation case, that would pull Vilma off the attack now, if Vilma thinks he has genuinely been defamed Agreed, by all accounts Vilma is insanely intelligent, so highly unlikely that this was a heat of the moment decision and be placated. Vilma is a shark out for blood.

05-21-2012, 08:52 PM	#30
ScottF 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 6,324	Originally Posted by SaintsBro I don't think there is a deal or settlement Goodell could cut, in a defamation case, that would pull Vilma off the attack now, if Vilma thinks he has genuinely been defamed Sure he could- "After re-examining the evidence and looking at new material, I now find that Vilma was not guilty. Suspension over."

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