Why Vilma v. Goodell is much more than just a defamation lawsuit

UK_WhoDat · 05-20-2012, 12:53 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

Could somebody throw a little more gas on Godhell? I've got a match.

Take your turn. Vilma is gonna burn him first.

buckblaster1 · 05-18-2012, 07:37 PM

i think all vilma wants in this is to see the so called evidence the nfl has against him that they wouldnt show him during the appeals process. by suing goodell his lawyer could subpena these files and have to make them public. and then the world could see this so called evidence and determine for themselves just how good it is.

SloMotion · 05-19-2012, 09:16 AM

Originally Posted by buckblaster1

i think all vilma wants in this is to see the so called evidence the nfl has against him that they wouldnt show him during the appeals process. by suing goodell his lawyer could subpena these files and have to make them public. and then the world could see this so called evidence and determine for themselves just how good it is.

... that and put an end to Goodell's bullying by possibly taking a bullet for the rest of the league ... best of luck, JV, 'stick it to the man'.

AlaskaSaints · 05-18-2012, 11:34 PM

Would Ray Lewis allow himself to get punked by Goodell? I think NOT.

Enjoy the hotseat, Roger. Then we'll welcome Vilma back into the fold.

Alaska

the-commish · 05-19-2012, 02:22 PM

These "anonymous" sources will have to be revealed in court. Goddell can't have his "unnamed sources" now that Vilma has said, "I want to know who is accusing me, and what they are accusing me of." And, in a court of law, Vilma has that right under our constitution.

I think Goddell has really stepped in it now, and I would not be at all surprised if the owners stepped in, and told Goddell to slow down.

OldMaid · 05-19-2012, 09:04 PM

Well, this can really be interesting.
One part of me just wants this thing to be over with and the 2012 season to start and for the Saints to coming out winning. Do instead of talk.
Then on the other hand, the bountygate talk, TALK was very bad, stupid, immoral, ugly talk. TALK. Where is the proof that the Saints tried to take out players and played nasty and dirty with late hits?
Where?
I keep seeing the NFL Net show Saints ; tackles same as any other club.
As far the NFL using the Saints "bad talk" as proof that this NFL has player safety first and using this as a proof in concussion lawsuits, well, I doubt that works. When you allow helemt to helmet hits sometimes, that throws this out.

Vilma wanting to take this further, ok,might be good for Saints in that name names ,sources , proof . Show the evidence.

ScottF · 05-21-2012, 03:53 PM

Really interested to see RG's play here. Does he spend the time and money (and risk) and go balls to the walls to defend himself? does he cut a deal?

The only thing in his favor (other than supposed evidence) is that Vilma and Ginsburg have to prove intended malice by RG's action. That is subjective at best, but since we all know the punishments are for lying and not hitting, it just might work.

It seems like RG is all-in no matter what he does.

SaintsBro · 05-21-2012, 04:06 PM

I don't think there is a deal or settlement Goodell could cut, in a defamation case, that would pull Vilma off the attack now, if Vilma thinks he has genuinely been defamed

sharke · 05-21-2012, 04:15 PM

Originally Posted by SaintsBro

I don't think there is a deal or settlement Goodell could cut, in a defamation case, that would pull Vilma off the attack now, if Vilma thinks he has genuinely been defamed

Agreed, by all accounts Vilma is insanely intelligent, so highly unlikely that this was a heat of the moment decision and be placated. Vilma is a shark out for blood.

ScottF · 05-21-2012, 07:52 PM

Originally Posted by SaintsBro

I don't think there is a deal or settlement Goodell could cut, in a defamation case, that would pull Vilma off the attack now, if Vilma thinks he has genuinely been defamed

Sure he could- "After re-examining the evidence and looking at new material, I now find that Vilma was not guilty. Suspension over."

05-20-2012, 12:53 PM	#1
UK_WhoDat 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Wherever I lay my hat Posts: 4,001	Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II Could somebody throw a little more gas on Godhell? I've got a match. Take your turn. Vilma is gonna burn him first. Rugby Saint II and sharke like this.

05-18-2012, 07:37 PM	#2
buckblaster1 Registered Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 30	i think all vilma wants in this is to see the so called evidence the nfl has against him that they wouldnt show him during the appeals process. by suing goodell his lawyer could subpena these files and have to make them public. and then the world could see this so called evidence and determine for themselves just how good it is. SloMotion likes this.
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05-19-2012, 09:16 AM	#3
SloMotion 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 6,776 Blog Entries: 15	Originally Posted by buckblaster1 i think all vilma wants in this is to see the so called evidence the nfl has against him that they wouldnt show him during the appeals process. by suing goodell his lawyer could subpena these files and have to make them public. and then the world could see this so called evidence and determine for themselves just how good it is. ... that and put an end to Goodell's bullying by possibly taking a bullet for the rest of the league ... best of luck, JV, 'stick it to the man'. pherein likes this.

05-21-2012, 04:15 PM	#9
sharke evil decepticon Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: St. Augustine, FL Posts: 583	Originally Posted by SaintsBro I don't think there is a deal or settlement Goodell could cut, in a defamation case, that would pull Vilma off the attack now, if Vilma thinks he has genuinely been defamed Agreed, by all accounts Vilma is insanely intelligent, so highly unlikely that this was a heat of the moment decision and be placated. Vilma is a shark out for blood.

05-21-2012, 07:52 PM	#10
ScottF 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 6,324	Originally Posted by SaintsBro I don't think there is a deal or settlement Goodell could cut, in a defamation case, that would pull Vilma off the attack now, if Vilma thinks he has genuinely been defamed Sure he could- "After re-examining the evidence and looking at new material, I now find that Vilma was not guilty. Suspension over."

05-18-2012, 11:34 PM	#4
AlaskaSaints 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Anchorage, AK Posts: 2,484 Blog Entries: 2	Would Ray Lewis allow himself to get punked by Goodell? I think NOT. Enjoy the hotseat, Roger. Then we'll welcome Vilma back into the fold. Alaska

05-19-2012, 02:22 PM	#5
the-commish Longtime WhoDat Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Henderson, NV Posts: 529	These "anonymous" sources will have to be revealed in court. Goddell can't have his "unnamed sources" now that Vilma has said, "I want to know who is accusing me, and what they are accusing me of." And, in a court of law, Vilma has that right under our constitution. I think Goddell has really stepped in it now, and I would not be at all surprised if the owners stepped in, and told Goddell to slow down.

05-19-2012, 09:04 PM	#6
OldMaid Site Donor 2014 Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 2,919 Blog Entries: 3	Well, this can really be interesting. One part of me just wants this thing to be over with and the 2012 season to start and for the Saints to coming out winning. Do instead of talk. Then on the other hand, the bountygate talk, TALK was very bad, stupid, immoral, ugly talk. TALK. Where is the proof that the Saints tried to take out players and played nasty and dirty with late hits? Where? I keep seeing the NFL Net show Saints ; tackles same as any other club. As far the NFL using the Saints "bad talk" as proof that this NFL has player safety first and using this as a proof in concussion lawsuits, well, I doubt that works. When you allow helemt to helmet hits sometimes, that throws this out. Vilma wanting to take this further, ok,might be good for Saints in that name names ,sources , proof . Show the evidence.

05-21-2012, 03:53 PM	#7
ScottF 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 6,324	Really interested to see RG's play here. Does he spend the time and money (and risk) and go balls to the walls to defend himself? does he cut a deal? The only thing in his favor (other than supposed evidence) is that Vilma and Ginsburg have to prove intended malice by RG's action. That is subjective at best, but since we all know the punishments are for lying and not hitting, it just might work. It seems like RG is all-in no matter what he does.

05-21-2012, 04:06 PM	#8
SaintsBro Site Donor Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: in line with my ridiculous CLEAR PLASTIC BAG Posts: 3,650 Blog Entries: 3	I don't think there is a deal or settlement Goodell could cut, in a defamation case, that would pull Vilma off the attack now, if Vilma thinks he has genuinely been defamed

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