Drew Brees Contract Negotiations: Jason Cole Solves the Mystery

NuNu318 · 05-29-2012, 01:33 PM

Originally Posted by spkb25

Gut the team, huh? That isn't realistic. Without DRew, we're in trouble

But thats the thing HOW do you know that. Nobody knew Drew was even gonna be as great as he is when he signed. How do we know that Chase can't handle it and at least get is a wild card spot if given a chance? Everyone being so paranoid when not one of us can tell the future. I'm pretty sure people in Green Bay thought the same thing when they let Farvre go.....look how that turned out. I'm just saying no one should completely take for granted the talent that we do have. Cuz they do have talent they wouldn't be on the team if they didn't.

Brees is not going to sit out Loomis' job is riding on this and Benson loses is cash cow if he lets him sit so if Benson has to get off his A$$ sit down with Drew and get it done at the deadline then thats whats gonna happen.

And the Saints probably are letting Vilma go thru this lawsuit just to show loyalty....you can bet whatever's in your bank account that they hope he doesn't win his appeal because then that 4mil + is all they need to secure Brees...

spkb25 · 05-29-2012, 04:15 PM

Originally Posted by NuNu318

But thats the thing HOW do you know that. Nobody knew Drew was even gonna be as great as he is when he signed. How do we know that Chase can't handle it and at least get is a wild card spot if given a chance? Everyone being so paranoid when not one of us can tell the future.

I don't even know how to answer something this naive. The point is, we have been to 4 playoff appearances with drew, an NFC championship and won a super bowl.

WE KNOW WHAT WE HAVE WITH HIM!!!

That is exactly the point!

I remember watching the Seahawks- 49ers game at the end of last year, and I remarked in the chat room-"Man we are spoiled having Brees, you don't realize it until you watch the crap playing QB on other teams". Do you not get that he is one of the best in the game, the best player to ever suit up in a Saints jersey, a hall of famer, a madman of a competitor?

Shove Vilma and Will Smith out the door if need be, but pay the god damn man.

It's Drew ****ing Brees man.

Ashley · 05-29-2012, 01:25 PM

Originally Posted by spkb25

Have you people lost your collective minds. I mean seriously, you don' t lose one of the top 4-5 gb's in the league. Im not saying we give in on everything, but you sugn the guy. End of story, you sign the guy. We are spoiled, spoiled by how good Drew us. Play a season without him and you'll see.

I have since I was old enough to know what a football is. He is the team, yes that makes other players want to come here for a championship, yes. He is the center clog of the wheel, yes. He is New Orleans, yes. But when the Saints did make him the Highest Player in the league, they turned it down. The man makes money, with the endorsements he gets along with that. The man is getting paid.
Now we are all not stupid, or naive on how this works. There is a pie, right you have what 52 people want a slice? how in the hell does he end up with half. Come on after we were told he would do whatever it takes to keep this team together, i do remember hearing that.
I know Drew deserves to be the highest player in the league, but at what cost do we do that. There isn't enough money... per cap. period. But I still believe he will be a saint, loomis will get it done, and if he can't then shame on you Drew and your jackass agent.

spkb25 · 05-29-2012, 01:28 PM

Originally Posted by Ashley

I have since I was old enough to know what a football is. He is the team, yes that makes other players want to come here for a championship, yes. He is the center clog of the wheel, yes. He is New Orleans, yes. But when the Saints did make him the Highest Player in the league, they turned it down. The man makes money, with the endorsements he gets along with that. The man is getting paid.
Now we are all not stupid, or naive on how this works. There is a pie, right you have what 52 people want a slice? how in the hell does he end up with half. Come on after we were told he would do whatever it takes to keep this team together, i do remember hearing that.
I know Drew deserves to be the highest player in the league, but at what cost do we do that. There isn't enough money... per cap. period. But I still believe he will be a saint, loomis will get it done, and if he can't then shame on you Drew and your jackass agent.

We aren' t winning anything without him. Yes, there has to be a compromise, but in the end, pay the man

Ashley · 05-29-2012, 01:38 PM

Originally Posted by spkb25

We aren' t winning anything without him. Yes, there has to be a compromise, but in the end, pay the man

But once again at what cost?? WE did TRY "THEY TURNED IT DOWN". iS IT because of what is going on with the franchise tags that was stated in this post? That is bull S... if that is the case, but once again faith in what BIG TOM and Loomis said... The deal will get done.
Us as fans will have to wait to see as to how, much the team gave.

TheOak · 05-29-2012, 01:51 PM

Originally Posted by Ashley

But once again at what cost?? WE did TRY "THEY TURNED IT DOWN". iS IT because of what is going on with the franchise tags that was stated in this post? That is bull S... if that is the case, but once again faith in what BIG TOM and Loomis said... The deal will get done.
Us as fans will have to wait to see as to how, much the team gave.

It was turned down because of some upcoming big QB contracts that would effect it... It was a prudent decision, and there was absolutely no reason to rush. The cat is very smart... Am I saying he knew he would break a record last season.. no... Did he know he was going to do something to increase his value? probably so... and he did just that.

Had he signed, then you can bet he would be the second highest paid QB today between Manning and Brady...

Manning - 5 years $96M

Brady 5 year $78.5M

Drew was offered $19/year = $95M

But the real issue of why he did not accept is not because of the Contract Value... It was because of the structure and loading.

TheOak · 05-29-2012, 01:22 PM

I think "gutting the team" is a little dramatic. You cut under performers to keep the over performers. You increase the value... It wouldn't take more than Vilma.

I have seen a lot of questioning about Drew's commitment to the team. Here is a question for everyone.

Who is more important to the TEAM this season, Brees or Vilma?
Who has already been replaced Brees or Vilma?
Who is at this moment guaranteed healthy enough to play, Brees or Vilma?

If Vilma is thinking about the TEAM, he is thus far suspended this season and is STILL not 100% back from his surgery... He sits out this season allowing cap space to keep Drew. Next season we worry about getting Vilma on the field if he competes and earns his spot back.

So this comes to a hard decision. Tell Vilma bye and secure Brees? Or risk playing 2012 with out both of them.

NuNu318 · 05-29-2012, 01:36 PM

And another question I have....if the signing bonus doesn't count towards the cap why not just give this man like 30mil upfront give him a cheap base for this year and give him the rest in the next 2 years?

RockyMountainSaint · 05-29-2012, 06:12 PM

Just caught NFL 32.

Brees filed for an arbitrator through the NFLPA to address the 3-yr franchise procedure. per John Clayton

great...........

jeanpierre · 05-29-2012, 06:19 PM

This is about Tom Condon and the skins on his wall...

05-29-2012, 01:33 PM	#1
NuNu318 100th Post Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: VA Posts: 465	Originally Posted by spkb25 Gut the team, huh? That isn't realistic. Without DRew, we're in trouble But thats the thing HOW do you know that. Nobody knew Drew was even gonna be as great as he is when he signed. How do we know that Chase can't handle it and at least get is a wild card spot if given a chance? Everyone being so paranoid when not one of us can tell the future. I'm pretty sure people in Green Bay thought the same thing when they let Farvre go.....look how that turned out. I'm just saying no one should completely take for granted the talent that we do have. Cuz they do have talent they wouldn't be on the team if they didn't. Brees is not going to sit out Loomis' job is riding on this and Benson loses is cash cow if he lets him sit so if Benson has to get off his A$$ sit down with Drew and get it done at the deadline then thats whats gonna happen. And the Saints probably are letting Vilma go thru this lawsuit just to show loyalty....you can bet whatever's in your bank account that they hope he doesn't win his appeal because then that 4mil + is all they need to secure Brees... Ashley likes this.

05-29-2012, 04:15 PM	#2
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,145	Originally Posted by NuNu318 But thats the thing HOW do you know that. Nobody knew Drew was even gonna be as great as he is when he signed. How do we know that Chase can't handle it and at least get is a wild card spot if given a chance? Everyone being so paranoid when not one of us can tell the future. I don't even know how to answer something this naive. The point is, we have been to 4 playoff appearances with drew, an NFC championship and won a super bowl. WE KNOW WHAT WE HAVE WITH HIM!!! That is exactly the point! I remember watching the Seahawks- 49ers game at the end of last year, and I remarked in the chat room-"Man we are spoiled having Brees, you don't realize it until you watch the crap playing QB on other teams". Do you not get that he is one of the best in the game, the best player to ever suit up in a Saints jersey, a hall of famer, a madman of a competitor? Shove Vilma and Will Smith out the door if need be, but pay the god damn man. It's Drew ****ing Brees man. TheOak likes this.
	Your team stinks

05-29-2012, 01:25 PM	#3
Ashley Site Donor Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Colorado Springs Co Posts: 2,760	Originally Posted by spkb25 Have you people lost your collective minds. I mean seriously, you don' t lose one of the top 4-5 gb's in the league. Im not saying we give in on everything, but you sugn the guy. End of story, you sign the guy. We are spoiled, spoiled by how good Drew us. Play a season without him and you'll see. I have since I was old enough to know what a football is. He is the team, yes that makes other players want to come here for a championship, yes. He is the center clog of the wheel, yes. He is New Orleans, yes. But when the Saints did make him the Highest Player in the league, they turned it down. The man makes money, with the endorsements he gets along with that. The man is getting paid. Now we are all not stupid, or naive on how this works. There is a pie, right you have what 52 people want a slice? how in the hell does he end up with half. Come on after we were told he would do whatever it takes to keep this team together, i do remember hearing that. I know Drew deserves to be the highest player in the league, but at what cost do we do that. There isn't enough money... per cap. period. But I still believe he will be a saint, loomis will get it done, and if he can't then shame on you Drew and your jackass agent.
	I HATE ATLANTA

05-29-2012, 01:28 PM	#4
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,145	Originally Posted by Ashley I have since I was old enough to know what a football is. He is the team, yes that makes other players want to come here for a championship, yes. He is the center clog of the wheel, yes. He is New Orleans, yes. But when the Saints did make him the Highest Player in the league, they turned it down. The man makes money, with the endorsements he gets along with that. The man is getting paid. Now we are all not stupid, or naive on how this works. There is a pie, right you have what 52 people want a slice? how in the hell does he end up with half. Come on after we were told he would do whatever it takes to keep this team together, i do remember hearing that. I know Drew deserves to be the highest player in the league, but at what cost do we do that. There isn't enough money... per cap. period. But I still believe he will be a saint, loomis will get it done, and if he can't then shame on you Drew and your jackass agent. We aren' t winning anything without him. Yes, there has to be a compromise, but in the end, pay the man Ashley and TheOak like this.

05-29-2012, 01:38 PM	#5
Ashley Site Donor Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Colorado Springs Co Posts: 2,760	Originally Posted by spkb25 We aren' t winning anything without him. Yes, there has to be a compromise, but in the end, pay the man But once again at what cost?? WE did TRY "THEY TURNED IT DOWN". iS IT because of what is going on with the franchise tags that was stated in this post? That is bull S... if that is the case, but once again faith in what BIG TOM and Loomis said... The deal will get done. Us as fans will have to wait to see as to how, much the team gave.

05-29-2012, 01:51 PM	#6
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,051	Originally Posted by Ashley But once again at what cost?? WE did TRY "THEY TURNED IT DOWN". iS IT because of what is going on with the franchise tags that was stated in this post? That is bull S... if that is the case, but once again faith in what BIG TOM and Loomis said... The deal will get done. Us as fans will have to wait to see as to how, much the team gave. It was turned down because of some upcoming big QB contracts that would effect it... It was a prudent decision, and there was absolutely no reason to rush. The cat is very smart... Am I saying he knew he would break a record last season.. no... Did he know he was going to do something to increase his value? probably so... and he did just that. Had he signed, then you can bet he would be the second highest paid QB today between Manning and Brady... Manning - 5 years $96M Brady 5 year $78.5M Drew was offered $19/year = $95M But the real issue of why he did not accept is not because of the Contract Value... It was because of the structure and loading.
	It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Henry David Thoreau

05-29-2012, 01:22 PM	#7
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,051	I think "gutting the team" is a little dramatic. You cut under performers to keep the over performers. You increase the value... It wouldn't take more than Vilma. I have seen a lot of questioning about Drew's commitment to the team. Here is a question for everyone. Who is more important to the TEAM this season, Brees or Vilma? Who has already been replaced Brees or Vilma? Who is at this moment guaranteed healthy enough to play, Brees or Vilma? If Vilma is thinking about the TEAM, he is thus far suspended this season and is STILL not 100% back from his surgery... He sits out this season allowing cap space to keep Drew. Next season we worry about getting Vilma on the field if he competes and earns his spot back. So this comes to a hard decision. Tell Vilma bye and secure Brees? Or risk playing 2012 with out both of them. spkb25 likes this.
	It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Henry David Thoreau

05-29-2012, 01:36 PM	#8
NuNu318 100th Post Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: VA Posts: 465	And another question I have....if the signing bonus doesn't count towards the cap why not just give this man like 30mil upfront give him a cheap base for this year and give him the rest in the next 2 years?

05-29-2012, 06:12 PM	#9
RockyMountainSaint Mmm That Smell! Join Date: Oct 1998 Location: Metairie Terrace Posts: 3,073	Just caught NFL 32. Brees filed for an arbitrator through the NFLPA to address the 3-yr franchise procedure. per John Clayton great...........

05-29-2012, 06:19 PM	#10
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	This is about Tom Condon and the skins on his wall... RockyMountainSaint likes this.

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