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Old 06-01-2012, 08:22 PM   #1
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Ledger entries for Bills game raise new questions about alleged Saints bounty program | ProFootballTalk

By all appearances, the NFL finally has released evidence of the bounty program in New Orleans. Not directly, of course, but by leaking it to Jason Cole of Yahoo! Sports.

That said, the evidence given to Cole raises more questions than it answers.

Cole explains that the ledger maintained by the Saints identifies three separate $1,000 payments for supposed “cart-offs” during a game against the Buffalo Bills. But Cole doesn’t mention the players from the Bills who were injured.

Presumably, they were players from the Bills’ offense, right?

That’s not the case.

The Associated Press reported that four Bills were injured in the game. Three of them were members of the Buffalo defense: cornerback Leodis McKelvin, safety Donte Whitner, and safety Bryan Scott. On offense, left tackle Demetress (then Demetrius) Bell suffered a knee injury.

McKelvin suffered a broken leg, and he was placed on injured reserve. (It’s not entirely clear based on Cole’s report whether the notation in the ledger reflecting the placement of a player on injured reserve comes from the Buffalo game.)

So how were three $1,000 awards made for cart-offs when only one offensive player from the Bills was injured?

There are several explanations. The most likely is that the ledger isn’t accurate, and thus not entirely reliable. The least likely is that the ledger is fabricated, and thus completely unreliable.

But what if the ledger is evidence that the bounty program crossed the lines of offense and defense, paying offensive players who inflicted injury on opposing defensive players? If there truly was a bounty program, it’s possible that the defense maintained the bounty program, and that the defense would decide to periodically kick some cash to offensive players who exhibited the mindset that the defense was cultivating.

The NFL never has claimed that offensive players were paid. But if the ledger is accurate, it’s possible that’s the only explanation.

And if that’s the case, Drew Brees will most definitely need an explanation.

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So.......how is it that Jason Cole from Yahoo Sports has seen this phantom ledger, but the NFLPA has not. Wouldn't this be in violation of the CBA? Also.....if this Jason Cole was presented said evidence so quickly, why does Goodell need an extension before presenting it to the U.S. District Court where he is being sued??? Hmmmmmmmm.........
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So.......how is it that Jason Cole from Yahoo Sports has seen this phantom ledger, but the NFLPA has not. Wouldn't this be in violation of the CBA? Also.....if this Jason Cole was presented said evidence so quickly, why does Goodell need an extension before presenting it to the U.S. District Court where he is being sued??? Hmmmmmmmm.........
Remember, Goodell is just "Answering" the charges (interrogatories) filed against him. Goodell may present objections and answers to each interrogatory. The defendant usually has 30 days to answer but a court, on motion and notice and for good cause shown, may enlarge or shorten the time.

In his answer he can specify evidence but that evidence will not be worked over until the discovery process begins in full. The court is trying to ascertain whether the plaintiff (Vilma) has a case to proceed, and that the case stands on its own merits to come before the court.
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Remember, Goodell is just "Answering" the charges (interrogatories) filed against him. Goodell may present objections and answers to each interrogatory. The defendant usually has 30 days to answer but a court, on motion and notice and for good cause shown, may enlarge or shorten the time.

In his answer he can specify evidence but that evidence will not be worked over until the discovery process begins in full. The court is trying to ascertain whether the plaintiff (Vilma) has a case to proceed, and that the case stands on its own merits to come before the court.
Why then, has he not shared such evidence with the player's union......as they have already requested such evidence??? Doesn't make sense, since it was so freely given to Mr. cole.
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Why then, has he not shared such evidence with the player's union......as they have already requested such evidence??? Doesn't make sense, since it was so freely given to Mr. cole.
Separate from this case, that's a very good question and exactly what I was trying to say earlier.

If you ask me, I think Goodell is looking more and more filthy everyday AND I PLAN TO CONTINUE TO CALL HIM OUT DAILY!!!
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If you ask me, I think Goodell is looking more and more filthy everyday AND I PLAN TO CONTINUE TO CALL HIM OUT DAILY!!!
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A ledger is a very unstable source of information. It can be doctored or created out of thin air to create any circumstances you want to present. I know it's just a movie, but in A Few Good Men that's exactly what Col Jesub did when he had the flight logs adjusted.

If they did It I accept it but RG has nothing concrete. Now he throws this ledger out after he already stated on ESPN he presented everything he had! What this says to me is he is in fact a liar and any evidence he submits from this point on is suspect.
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Methinks Goodell is getting this guy>>>>



to gather "additional" evidence ... it reminds us of that movie "Trading Places" with Eddie Murphy



...where they were scamming for orange futures... except this time it is even more auspicious.

Funny how history repeats itself, kinda!
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