Building a championship team under the salary cap

mutineer10 · 06-13-2012, 12:44 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

Todays NFL is different. NFL rules have changed so much that the old addage "defense wins championships" is as outdated as the forearm shiver.

True. The defensive side of the ball has become so castrated by recent rules promoting scoring & protecting player safety, it's difficult for a strong defensive squad to intimidate & impose their will the way classic squads once did. Deacon Jones & Ronnie Lott would be fined off the field in today's NFL.

These updated rules have allowed the passing game to open up dramatically, evidenced by the video-game passing numbers QB's have been posting in the last few years. The wide-open passing game spreads out the defense, opening up running lanes & creating opportunities for bubble screens, etc.

Long story short, I voted "Dominant Offense."

UK_WhoDat · 06-13-2012, 12:44 PM

My first inclination was to go for great defense, ok offense because the Chicago team in Superbowl XX was staggering. Since then the likes of Pittsburgh Steelers have closed the opposition down. So it is easy tothink yeah baby defense, defense.

But then the Dome Patrol was unable to deliver. Mayve the offense was even ok? Speed forward 25 years and you have the Saints and the Packers. Clearly great offenses.

So I don't know. I am going for balance.

TheOak · 06-13-2012, 01:03 PM

2011 -

Of the 6 worst offenses in the entire league .. Three of them Packers/Patriots/Giants with the Pac/Pat being the worst made the play offs and the Giants won the SB.

Giants/Packers/New England were in the bottom 10 for rushing. With the Giants being the worst.

The Patriots/Packers/Giants were all in the top 8 offenses for productivity with the Giants being in the top 3 for post season productivity.

Same three teams in the top 5 in passing.

QB's win Super Bowls... In the day and age of new rules. Well in this case Ill give Coughlin the credit since I just cant give it to the gourd.

Danno · 06-13-2012, 07:25 PM

Originally Posted by x626xBlack

2011 -

Of the 6 worst offenses in the entire league .. Three of them Packers/Patriots/Giants with the Pac/Pat being the worst made the play offs and the Giants won the SB.

Giants/Packers/New England were in the bottom 10 for rushing. With the Giants being the worst.

The Patriots/Packers/Giants were all in the top 8 offenses for productivity with the Giants being in the top 3 for post season productivity.

Same three teams in the top 5 in passing.

QB's win Super Bowls... In the day and age of new rules. Well in this case Ill give Coughlin the credit since I just cant give it to the gourd.

I think you meant defenses didn't you?

SloMotion · 06-13-2012, 09:37 PM

Originally Posted by x626xBlack

QB's win Super Bowls... In the day and age of new rules.

... and that's kind of it in a nutshell, you need a Tom Brady, Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers (Matt Stafford) type QB in order to make that New England/New Orleans/Green Bay template work ... that's what makes it so fun to jab at the Falcons, they're trying to do it with Matty 'Ice',

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Srgt. Hulka · 06-13-2012, 11:15 PM

I didn't read all the posts here, as a matter of fact, I didn't read any of the posts. It's late and I didn't feel like it.

I just jumped to the end. I chose offense, because there ain't nothin purtier than watching Brees put up those 40, 50, and 60 burgers!

foreverfan · 06-14-2012, 12:04 AM

I vote for what worked for us.

TheOak · 06-14-2012, 07:15 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

I think you meant defenses didn't you?

I will have to pay closer attention... I didn't realize my posts were actually read.

Danno · 06-14-2012, 09:45 AM

Originally Posted by x626xBlack

I will have to pay closer attention... I didn't realize my posts were actually read.

I'm an obsessive corrector.

RockyMountainSaint · 06-15-2012, 10:39 PM

Originally Posted by foreverfan

I vote for what worked for us.

I was gonna post a lengthy rationale for my vote.

CatMan summed it up perfectly for me.

If it aint broke? Don't fix it!

View Poll Results: Which team model do you prefer?
Dominant offense - ok defense	27	71.05%
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06-13-2012, 12:44 AM	#11
mutineer10 Site Donor Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Baton Rouge, LA Posts: 1,739	Originally Posted by Danno Todays NFL is different. NFL rules have changed so much that the old addage "defense wins championships" is as outdated as the forearm shiver. True. The defensive side of the ball has become so castrated by recent rules promoting scoring & protecting player safety, it's difficult for a strong defensive squad to intimidate & impose their will the way classic squads once did. Deacon Jones & Ronnie Lott would be fined off the field in today's NFL. These updated rules have allowed the passing game to open up dramatically, evidenced by the video-game passing numbers QB's have been posting in the last few years. The wide-open passing game spreads out the defense, opening up running lanes & creating opportunities for bubble screens, etc. Long story short, I voted "Dominant Offense." TheOak likes this.

06-13-2012, 01:03 PM	#13
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	2011 - Of the 6 worst offenses in the entire league .. Three of them Packers/Patriots/Giants with the Pac/Pat being the worst made the play offs and the Giants won the SB. Giants/Packers/New England were in the bottom 10 for rushing. With the Giants being the worst. The Patriots/Packers/Giants were all in the top 8 offenses for productivity with the Giants being in the top 3 for post season productivity. Same three teams in the top 5 in passing. QB's win Super Bowls... In the day and age of new rules. Well in this case Ill give Coughlin the credit since I just cant give it to the gourd.
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06-13-2012, 07:25 PM	#14
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	Originally Posted by x626xBlack 2011 - Of the 6 worst offenses in the entire league .. Three of them Packers/Patriots/Giants with the Pac/Pat being the worst made the play offs and the Giants won the SB. Giants/Packers/New England were in the bottom 10 for rushing. With the Giants being the worst. The Patriots/Packers/Giants were all in the top 8 offenses for productivity with the Giants being in the top 3 for post season productivity. Same three teams in the top 5 in passing. QB's win Super Bowls... In the day and age of new rules. Well in this case Ill give Coughlin the credit since I just cant give it to the gourd. I think you meant defenses didn't you?

06-13-2012, 09:37 PM	#15
SloMotion 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 6,776 Blog Entries: 15	Originally Posted by x626xBlack QB's win Super Bowls... In the day and age of new rules. ... and that's kind of it in a nutshell, you need a Tom Brady, Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers (Matt Stafford) type QB in order to make that New England/New Orleans/Green Bay template work ... that's what makes it so fun to jab at the Falcons, they're trying to do it with Matty 'Ice', .

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06-13-2012, 12:44 PM	#12
UK_WhoDat 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Wherever I lay my hat Posts: 3,947	My first inclination was to go for great defense, ok offense because the Chicago team in Superbowl XX was staggering. Since then the likes of Pittsburgh Steelers have closed the opposition down. So it is easy tothink yeah baby defense, defense. But then the Dome Patrol was unable to deliver. Mayve the offense was even ok? Speed forward 25 years and you have the Saints and the Packers. Clearly great offenses. So I don't know. I am going for balance.

06-13-2012, 11:15 PM	#16
Srgt. Hulka 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Shreveport, LA Posts: 4,417	I didn't read all the posts here, as a matter of fact, I didn't read any of the posts. It's late and I didn't feel like it. I just jumped to the end. I chose offense, because there ain't nothin purtier than watching Brees put up those 40, 50, and 60 burgers!

06-14-2012, 12:04 AM	#17
foreverfan 12,000 BS Posts Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Metairie, LA Posts: 13,457 Blog Entries: 5	I vote for what worked for us. RockyMountainSaint likes this.

06-14-2012, 07:15 AM	#18
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Originally Posted by Danno I think you meant defenses didn't you? I will have to pay closer attention... I didn't realize my posts were actually read. Danno and pherein like this.

06-14-2012, 09:45 AM	#19
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	Originally Posted by x626xBlack I will have to pay closer attention... I didn't realize my posts were actually read. I'm an obsessive corrector.

06-15-2012, 10:39 PM	#20
RockyMountainSaint Mmm That Smell! Join Date: Oct 1998 Location: Metairie Terrace Posts: 3,073	Originally Posted by foreverfan I vote for what worked for us. I was gonna post a lengthy rationale for my vote. CatMan summed it up perfectly for me. If it aint broke? Don't fix it!

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