‘Presumption of Innocence’ or ‘Everybody Knows They’re Guilty?’

WhoDat!656 · 06-25-2012, 08:57 PM

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SaintsBro · 06-26-2012, 11:42 AM

Good article.

The "primacy effect" with how memory works means it is an uphill battle to overcome people's initial judgments, even when shown facts that challenge their assumptions.

This is a huge point, and that is precisely why Goodell released his charges with a big flamboyant splash and lots of hooplah, he wanted to establish in the minds of the public the "storyline" that the Saints were guilty, bad and evil from top to bottom, all the coaches, staff and "22-27" different players, and that Goodell was the white hatted cowboy who rode into town and cleaned them up in the honorable name of "player safety" -- and that is the storyline that was put in front of John Q. Public, completely devoid of evidence. Classic PR move.

TheOak · 06-26-2012, 01:02 PM

That's because there are two items of contention. Our justice system and its strict guidelines, and public opinion which has none... "legal" and "not legal" are predefined, while "right" and "wrong" are morality items that can not be legislated... neither can the word "fair".

Free speech is pretty much the culprit in this case... I do believe 100% in free speech, but not with out consequences. I fought for our freedoms and will defend them until I am buried... However, some people take those freedoms to the extreme and stretch the limits of how those freedoms were intended and interpreted.

While it is illegal for me to put my soup-bone in someones chops for running off at the mouth, it should be equally illegal for that person to piss me off so much that I have to take a "hands on" approach.

Rugby Saint II · 06-26-2012, 01:51 PM

Originally Posted by SaintsBro

Good article.

The "primacy effect" with how memory works means it is an uphill battle to overcome people's initial judgments, even when shown facts that challenge their assumptions.

This is a huge point, and that is precisely why Goodell released his charges with a big flamboyant splash and lots of hooplah, he wanted to establish in the minds of the public the "storyline" that the Saints were guilty, bad and evil from top to bottom, all the coaches, staff and "22-27" different players, and that Goodell was the white hatted cowboy who rode into town and cleaned them up in the honorable name of "player safety" -- and that is the storyline that was put in front of John Q. Public, completely devoid of evidence. Classic PR move.

Spot on brother!

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SaintsBro Site Donor Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: in line with my ridiculous CLEAR PLASTIC BAG Posts: 3,650 Blog Entries: 3	Good article. The "primacy effect" with how memory works means it is an uphill battle to overcome people's initial judgments, even when shown facts that challenge their assumptions. This is a huge point, and that is precisely why Goodell released his charges with a big flamboyant splash and lots of hooplah, he wanted to establish in the minds of the public the "storyline" that the Saints were guilty, bad and evil from top to bottom, all the coaches, staff and "22-27" different players, and that Goodell was the white hatted cowboy who rode into town and cleaned them up in the honorable name of "player safety" -- and that is the storyline that was put in front of John Q. Public, completely devoid of evidence. Classic PR move. Rugby Saint II likes this.

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TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,027	That's because there are two items of contention. Our justice system and its strict guidelines, and public opinion which has none... "legal" and "not legal" are predefined, while "right" and "wrong" are morality items that can not be legislated... neither can the word "fair". Free speech is pretty much the culprit in this case... I do believe 100% in free speech, but not with out consequences. I fought for our freedoms and will defend them until I am buried... However, some people take those freedoms to the extreme and stretch the limits of how those freedoms were intended and interpreted. While it is illegal for me to put my soup-bone in someones chops for running off at the mouth, it should be equally illegal for that person to piss me off so much that I have to take a "hands on" approach. Rugby Saint II likes this.
	It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Henry David Thoreau

06-26-2012, 01:51 PM	#4
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,073	Originally Posted by SaintsBro Good article. The "primacy effect" with how memory works means it is an uphill battle to overcome people's initial judgments, even when shown facts that challenge their assumptions. This is a huge point, and that is precisely why Goodell released his charges with a big flamboyant splash and lots of hooplah, he wanted to establish in the minds of the public the "storyline" that the Saints were guilty, bad and evil from top to bottom, all the coaches, staff and "22-27" different players, and that Goodell was the white hatted cowboy who rode into town and cleaned them up in the honorable name of "player safety" -- and that is the storyline that was put in front of John Q. Public, completely devoid of evidence. Classic PR move. Spot on brother!

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