Settlement conference set in bounty cases for July 23

TheOak · 07-09-2012, 08:00 AM

Originally Posted by mikesaintfan

too bad coach wont get his suspention cut in half

Well that "may" depend on how big the players balls are... I would definitely pitch that in my first proposal.

Reach for the stars and settle on the moon.

Halo · 07-09-2012, 10:23 AM

Originally Posted by x626xBlack

Well that "may" depend on how big the players balls are... I would definitely pitch that in my first proposal.

Reach for the stars and settle on the moon.

Players really can't have any impact on Sean Payton etc.
The Coaches apparently have their own Union, which is obviously toothless when it comes to the NFL. I didn't even know they had one until Florio or someone mentioned it in an article... yea that toothless and disorganized.

But if the judge and jury rule against the NFL in the case of abuse of discretionary powers, look for that union to "wake up" and file a grievance with the league, and if rejected file a case against the NFL based on the rulings of the players trial.

Remember when all the NFL nerds and hacks were *****ing a few weeks back that Vilma refused to "go under" Goodell and the NFL rule during the Kangaroo Court Goodell was running for the appeal?

That was a LEGAL exercise that somewhat suspended Goodell's ruling, basically sending it to the federal courts where they could get an impartial arbitrator in a court and jury.

Had Vilma and the players each stood there and let Goodell have his way with them, like "good boys," it would have been easier for the federal court to argue that a decision was made by an employer (Goodell) as per a pre-defined process (CBA), and awarded the NFL summary judgement.

Vilma resisted the NFL appeals process claiming it was unfair, and it was. Now a court of law will look at how unfair that process actually was.

saintfan · 07-09-2012, 11:34 AM

Originally Posted by Halo

Players really can't have any impact on Sean Payton etc.
The Coaches apparently have their own Union, which is obviously toothless when it comes to the NFL. I didn't even know they had one until Florio or someone mentioned it in an article... yea that toothless and disorganized.

But if the judge and jury rule against the NFL in the case of abuse of discretionary powers, look for that union to "wake up" and file a grievance with the league, and if rejected file a case against the NFL based on the rulings of the players trial.

Remember when all the NFL nerds and hacks were *****ing a few weeks back that Vilma refused to "go under" Goodell and the NFL rule during the Kangaroo Court Goodell was running for the appeal?

That was a LEGAL exercise that somewhat suspended Goodell's ruling, basically sending it to the federal courts where they could get an impartial arbitrator in a court and jury.

Had Vilma and the players each stood there and let Goodell have his way with them, like "good boys," it would have been easier for the federal court to argue that a decision was made by an employer (Goodell) as per a pre-defined process (CBA), and awarded the NFL summary judgement.

Vilma resisted the NFL appeals process claiming it was unfair, and it was. Now a court of law will look at how unfair that process actually was.

Yep. And none of this had to happen. All Roger had to do what produce the evidence he claimed to have. Why didn't he?

Well...either...

(a) he doesn't have what he says he has or
(b) he knows his sources aren't credible or
(c) he's trying to do the right thing and protect the sources

Roger Goodell and "do the right thing" don't match. So "C" is out. We know this because he's lied under oath and has destroyed evidence. Either "A" or "B", and maybe both, are pretty good bets.

TXGSP · 07-09-2012, 11:48 AM

Originally Posted by Halo

Players really can't have any impact on Sean Payton etc.
The Coaches apparently have their own Union, which is obviously toothless when it comes to the NFL. I didn't even know they had one until Florio or someone mentioned it in an article... yea that toothless and disorganized.

The NFLCA (Coaches Union) has the almost the same leadership as the NFLPA. D. Smith and the other main party in the NFLCA are arguing over leadership. There was a lawsuit filed by the NFLPA against the NFLCA over money for office space.

Even if the NFLCA could do something about the coaches suspensions, how many coaches are members? I had never heard of the NFLCA (prior to a few months ago), so it may not have been around long enough to have any power. If they are tied to the NFLPA and the coaches are members they should finally bare their teeth and go after Der Furher.

Utah_Saint · 07-09-2012, 03:12 PM

Originally Posted by x626xBlack

Well that "may" depend on how big the players balls are... I would definitely pitch that in my first proposal.

Reach for the stars and settle on the moon.

I'm no kinda legal expert but I wouldn't think the ruling on the players would affect the coaches at all.

The difference to me is, the coaches and Loomis confessed to allowing a "pay for performance" program to go on even after being told to end it as per their statements and that's what their punishment is for.

"We acknowledge that the violations disclosed by the NFL during their investigation of our club happened under our watch. We take full responsibility.

This has brought undue hardship on Mr. Benson, who had nothing to do with this activity. He has been nothing but supportive and for that we both apologize to him.

These are serious violations and we understand the negative impact it has had on our game. Both of us have made it clear within our organization that this will never happen again, and make that same promise to the NFL and most importantly to all of our fans." - Mickey Loomis & Sean Payton

TheOak · 07-09-2012, 03:34 PM

Originally Posted by Utah_Saint

I'm no kinda legal expert but I wouldn't think the ruling on the players would affect the coaches at all.

The difference to me is, the coaches and Loomis confessed to allowing a "pay for performance" program to go on even after being told to end it as per their statements and that's what their punishment is for.

"We acknowledge that the violations disclosed by the NFL during their investigation of our club happened under our watch. We take full responsibility.

This has brought undue hardship on Mr. Benson, who had nothing to do with this activity. He has been nothing but supportive and for that we both apologize to him.

These are serious violations and we understand the negative impact it has had on our game. Both of us have made it clear within our organization that this will never happen again, and make that same promise to the NFL and most importantly to all of our fans." - Mickey Loomis & Sean Payton

Thats the beauty of handling things with Goodell... If legality had precedent, this entire ordeal would be different. Therefore, its "work Roger" time... lets just see how badly he wants this to go away... I would put the coaches in the first offer..

Time to think inside of Goodell's box and get creative in the world of the NFL.

07-09-2012, 08:00 AM	#1
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,047	Originally Posted by mikesaintfan too bad coach wont get his suspention cut in half Well that "may" depend on how big the players balls are... I would definitely pitch that in my first proposal. Reach for the stars and settle on the moon.

07-09-2012, 10:23 AM	#2
Halo Site Donor MONTHLY Join Date: May 2002 Location: New Orleans, LA Posts: 20,894 Blog Entries: 45	Originally Posted by x626xBlack Well that "may" depend on how big the players balls are... I would definitely pitch that in my first proposal. Reach for the stars and settle on the moon. Players really can't have any impact on Sean Payton etc. The Coaches apparently have their own Union, which is obviously toothless when it comes to the NFL. I didn't even know they had one until Florio or someone mentioned it in an article... yea that toothless and disorganized. But if the judge and jury rule against the NFL in the case of abuse of discretionary powers, look for that union to "wake up" and file a grievance with the league, and if rejected file a case against the NFL based on the rulings of the players trial. Remember when all the NFL nerds and hacks were *ing a few weeks back that Vilma refused to "go under" Goodell and the NFL rule during the Kangaroo Court Goodell was running for the appeal? That was a LEGAL exercise that somewhat suspended Goodell's ruling, basically sending it to the federal courts where they could get an impartial arbitrator in a court and jury. Had Vilma and the players each stood there and let Goodell have his way with them, like "good boys," it would have been easier for the federal court to argue that a decision was made by an employer (Goodell) as per a pre-defined process (CBA), and awarded the NFL summary judgement. Vilma resisted the NFL appeals process claiming it was unfair, and it was. Now a court of law will look at how unfair that process actually was.
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07-09-2012, 11:34 AM	#3
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Originally Posted by Halo Players really can't have any impact on Sean Payton etc. The Coaches apparently have their own Union, which is obviously toothless when it comes to the NFL. I didn't even know they had one until Florio or someone mentioned it in an article... yea that toothless and disorganized. But if the judge and jury rule against the NFL in the case of abuse of discretionary powers, look for that union to "wake up" and file a grievance with the league, and if rejected file a case against the NFL based on the rulings of the players trial. Remember when all the NFL nerds and hacks were *ing a few weeks back that Vilma refused to "go under" Goodell and the NFL rule during the Kangaroo Court Goodell was running for the appeal? That was a LEGAL exercise that somewhat suspended Goodell's ruling, basically sending it to the federal courts where they could get an impartial arbitrator in a court and jury. Had Vilma and the players each stood there and let Goodell have his way with them, like "good boys," it would have been easier for the federal court to argue that a decision was made by an employer (Goodell) as per a pre-defined process (CBA), and awarded the NFL summary judgement. Vilma resisted the NFL appeals process claiming it was unfair, and it was. Now a court of law will look at how unfair that process actually was. Yep. And none of this had to happen. All Roger had to do what produce the evidence he claimed to have. Why didn't he? Well...either... (a) he doesn't have what he says he has or (b) he knows his sources aren't credible or (c) he's trying to do the right thing and protect the sources Roger Goodell and "do the right thing" don't match. So "C" is out. We know this because he's lied under oath and has destroyed evidence. Either "A" or "B", and maybe both, are pretty good bets.

07-09-2012, 11:48 AM	#4
TXGSP LET MY TEAM GO! Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Just north of COWGAL HELL Posts: 296	Originally Posted by Halo Players really can't have any impact on Sean Payton etc. The Coaches apparently have their own Union, which is obviously toothless when it comes to the NFL. I didn't even know they had one until Florio or someone mentioned it in an article... yea that toothless and disorganized. The NFLCA (Coaches Union) has the almost the same leadership as the NFLPA. D. Smith and the other main party in the NFLCA are arguing over leadership. There was a lawsuit filed by the NFLPA against the NFLCA over money for office space. Even if the NFLCA could do something about the coaches suspensions, how many coaches are members? I had never heard of the NFLCA (prior to a few months ago), so it may not have been around long enough to have any power. If they are tied to the NFLPA and the coaches are members they should finally bare their teeth and go after Der Furher.
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07-09-2012, 03:12 PM	#5
Utah_Saint Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 3,521	Originally Posted by x626xBlack Well that "may" depend on how big the players balls are... I would definitely pitch that in my first proposal. Reach for the stars and settle on the moon. I'm no kinda legal expert but I wouldn't think the ruling on the players would affect the coaches at all. The difference to me is, the coaches and Loomis confessed to allowing a "pay for performance" program to go on even after being told to end it as per their statements and that's what their punishment is for. "We acknowledge that the violations disclosed by the NFL during their investigation of our club happened under our watch. We take full responsibility. This has brought undue hardship on Mr. Benson, who had nothing to do with this activity. He has been nothing but supportive and for that we both apologize to him. These are serious violations and we understand the negative impact it has had on our game. Both of us have made it clear within our organization that this will never happen again, and make that same promise to the NFL and most importantly to all of our fans." - Mickey Loomis & Sean Payton

07-09-2012, 03:34 PM	#6
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,047	Originally Posted by Utah_Saint I'm no kinda legal expert but I wouldn't think the ruling on the players would affect the coaches at all. The difference to me is, the coaches and Loomis confessed to allowing a "pay for performance" program to go on even after being told to end it as per their statements and that's what their punishment is for. "We acknowledge that the violations disclosed by the NFL during their investigation of our club happened under our watch. We take full responsibility. This has brought undue hardship on Mr. Benson, who had nothing to do with this activity. He has been nothing but supportive and for that we both apologize to him. These are serious violations and we understand the negative impact it has had on our game. Both of us have made it clear within our organization that this will never happen again, and make that same promise to the NFL and most importantly to all of our fans." - Mickey Loomis & Sean Payton Thats the beauty of handling things with Goodell... If legality had precedent, this entire ordeal would be different. Therefore, its "work Roger" time... lets just see how badly he wants this to go away... I would put the coaches in the first offer.. Time to think inside of Goodell's box and get creative in the world of the NFL. saintfan and Utah_Saint like this.

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