Darren Sproles vs. Reggie Bush: Who's the superior weapon?

SloMotion · 07-18-2012, 08:40 AM

Originally Posted by xan

Sproles didn't have Reggie's numbers? Is this guy misreading the statistics because crack coated pubic hair are covering his eyes?

Why was this even published? Are people that desperate?

Really guy? 'crack coated pubic hair covering his eyes', I expect that kind of garbage on a Detroit board or an Atlanta board, but not on B&G. You disappoint me ... the stats I'm reading are posted in my reply to 'the Dude' ... feel free to analyze them yourself.

Originally Posted by Danno

Rushing average
Reggie - 4.3 per carry
Sproles -5.2 per carry

Receiving Average
Reggie - 7.2 per rec
Sproles -9.1 per rec

Punt Return Average
Reggie - 7.9 per return
Sproles -8.6 per return

Why is this even a debate?

Rushing average ... number of carries figures into this, Bush consistenly had more carries per season and thus his APC will be lower ... you conveniently left out # of touchdowns also.

Receiving average ... again, you're not looking at number of receptions, if I catch 1 pass for 70yds and you catch 3 passes of 75yds, 20yds and 10yds, who has the better receiving average? Where's the YPG stat on both these guys?

Punt Return average ... touche', I guess ... apples & oranges, don't care about punt returns, I'm focusing on the run game.

Why is it a debate? ... probably because it's the offseason, bountygate is winding down & Drew has signed ... it's really not, in every post I chose Sproles over Bush, IDK why it's being perceived I'm backing Reggie Bush so much ... the mere fact he dated Kim Kardashian and I was subjected to seeing the camera pan over to her during a few games is enough to nauseate me & turn me against Reggie forever ... I was just pointing out that both backs experienced the best seasons of their career after leaving their respective teams and the change of scenery obviously did them some good ... it's one of those intangibles I like to focus on and whereas Bush may statistically be the better back, he's not the best back for New Orleans ... Sproles is, but that's not to say Bush isn't productive somewhere else, because he is ... in Miami.

Advantage: still New Orleans/Sproles.

Now get off me.

The Dude · 07-18-2012, 01:32 PM

Originally Posted by SloMotion

Really guy? 'crack coated pubic hair covering his eyes', I expect that kind of garbage on a Detroit board or an Atlanta board, but not on B&G. You disappoint me ... the stats I'm reading are posted in my reply to 'the Dude' ... feel free to analyze them yourself.

Rushing average ... number of carries figures into this, Bush consistenly had more carries per season and thus his APC will be lower ... you conveniently left out # of touchdowns also.

Receiving average ... again, you're not looking at number of receptions, if I catch 1 pass for 70yds and you catch 3 passes of 75yds, 20yds and 10yds, who has the better receiving average? Where's the YPG stat on both these guys?

Punt Return average ... touche', I guess ... apples & oranges, don't care about punt returns, I'm focusing on the run game.

Why is it a debate? ... probably because it's the offseason, bountygate is winding down & Drew has signed ... it's really not, in every post I chose Sproles over Bush, IDK why it's being perceived I'm backing Reggie Bush so much ... the mere fact he dated Kim Kardashian and I was subjected to seeing the camera pan over to her during a few games is enough to nauseate me & turn me against Reggie forever ... I was just pointing out that both backs experienced the best seasons of their career after leaving their respective teams and the change of scenery obviously did them some good ... it's one of those intangibles I like to focus on and whereas Bush may statistically be the better back, he's not the best back for New Orleans ... Sproles is, but that's not to say Bush isn't productive somewhere else, because he is ... in Miami.

Advantage: still New Orleans/Sproles.

Now get off me.

I would rather have someone that actually gets yards all year round than a guy who may have a higher "rushing average" for 8 games. This is about real production not stats. Stats do not matter one bit it just gives nerds something to argue about when they are wrong. Winning and producing is what counts not stats.

SloMotion · 07-18-2012, 08:36 PM

Originally Posted by xan

Sorry SloMo, I mistakenly thought you were quoting the article written, not giving your opinion. And, btw, I was agreeing with you that Sproles is superior, it should not be an issue, and someone getting paid to write such drivel had the metaphorical visual distortion.

It's alright,

... I went back and looked and saw the blogger was bald, so I didn't know what to think,

... I knew we were agreeing on Sproles being the better back and the one New Orleans would rather have ... I'm not trying to yank chains by suggesting there's an argument for Bush, it's just an interesting debate, all considered ... I wish the Lions had these kind of running back problems/debates,

.

Originally Posted by The Dude

I would rather have someone that actually gets yards all year round than a guy who may have a higher "rushing average" for 8 games. This is about real production not stats. Stats do not matter one bit it just gives nerds something to argue about when they are wrong. Winning and producing is what counts not stats.

... and I absolutely agreed with you and supported Sproles over Bush for this reason, but it can't be denied Bush starting 15 games for MIA and gaining 1000+ yds isn't production and he was on the Saints 2009 roster as far as the 'winning' thing goes ... I honestly think Bush is the better individual back (when healthy), not because I'm a stats nerd arguing because I'm wrong, but because the stats jump out at you ... Sproles basically contributes the same production as Bush did in NO, which is an improvement over his SD numbers, and is more durable, while Bush went on to MIA and had his most productive season ever ... it's just the way NO/MIA use their RB's and it's win/win for both teams they each got a running back that fits so well into their offensive schemes.

I'm not arguing, just saying I see the how some people would say Bush is the superior weapon, which he may be in MIA, but not in NO.

07-18-2012, 08:40 AM	#1
SloMotion 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 6,776 Blog Entries: 15	Originally Posted by xan Sproles didn't have Reggie's numbers? Is this guy misreading the statistics because crack coated pubic hair are covering his eyes? Why was this even published? Are people that desperate? Really guy? 'crack coated pubic hair covering his eyes', I expect that kind of garbage on a Detroit board or an Atlanta board, but not on B&G. You disappoint me ... the stats I'm reading are posted in my reply to 'the Dude' ... feel free to analyze them yourself. Originally Posted by Danno Rushing average Reggie - 4.3 per carry Sproles -5.2 per carry Receiving Average Reggie - 7.2 per rec Sproles -9.1 per rec Punt Return Average Reggie - 7.9 per return Sproles -8.6 per return Why is this even a debate? Rushing average ... number of carries figures into this, Bush consistenly had more carries per season and thus his APC will be lower ... you conveniently left out # of touchdowns also. Receiving average ... again, you're not looking at number of receptions, if I catch 1 pass for 70yds and you catch 3 passes of 75yds, 20yds and 10yds, who has the better receiving average? Where's the YPG stat on both these guys? Punt Return average ... touche', I guess ... apples & oranges, don't care about punt returns, I'm focusing on the run game. Why is it a debate? ... probably because it's the offseason, bountygate is winding down & Drew has signed ... it's really not, in every post I chose Sproles over Bush, IDK why it's being perceived I'm backing Reggie Bush so much ... the mere fact he dated Kim Kardashian and I was subjected to seeing the camera pan over to her during a few games is enough to nauseate me & turn me against Reggie forever ... I was just pointing out that both backs experienced the best seasons of their career after leaving their respective teams and the change of scenery obviously did them some good ... it's one of those intangibles I like to focus on and whereas Bush may statistically be the better back, he's not the best back for New Orleans ... Sproles is, but that's not to say Bush isn't productive somewhere else, because he is ... in Miami. Advantage: still New Orleans/Sproles. Now get off me.

07-18-2012, 01:32 PM	#2
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,060	Originally Posted by SloMotion Really guy? 'crack coated pubic hair covering his eyes', I expect that kind of garbage on a Detroit board or an Atlanta board, but not on B&G. You disappoint me ... the stats I'm reading are posted in my reply to 'the Dude' ... feel free to analyze them yourself. Rushing average ... number of carries figures into this, Bush consistenly had more carries per season and thus his APC will be lower ... you conveniently left out # of touchdowns also. Receiving average ... again, you're not looking at number of receptions, if I catch 1 pass for 70yds and you catch 3 passes of 75yds, 20yds and 10yds, who has the better receiving average? Where's the YPG stat on both these guys? Punt Return average ... touche', I guess ... apples & oranges, don't care about punt returns, I'm focusing on the run game. Why is it a debate? ... probably because it's the offseason, bountygate is winding down & Drew has signed ... it's really not, in every post I chose Sproles over Bush, IDK why it's being perceived I'm backing Reggie Bush so much ... the mere fact he dated Kim Kardashian and I was subjected to seeing the camera pan over to her during a few games is enough to nauseate me & turn me against Reggie forever ... I was just pointing out that both backs experienced the best seasons of their career after leaving their respective teams and the change of scenery obviously did them some good ... it's one of those intangibles I like to focus on and whereas Bush may statistically be the better back, he's not the best back for New Orleans ... Sproles is, but that's not to say Bush isn't productive somewhere else, because he is ... in Miami. Advantage: still New Orleans/Sproles. Now get off me. I would rather have someone that actually gets yards all year round than a guy who may have a higher "rushing average" for 8 games. This is about real production not stats. Stats do not matter one bit it just gives nerds something to argue about when they are wrong. Winning and producing is what counts not stats.
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07-18-2012, 08:36 PM	#3
SloMotion 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 6,776 Blog Entries: 15	Originally Posted by xan Sorry SloMo, I mistakenly thought you were quoting the article written, not giving your opinion. And, btw, I was agreeing with you that Sproles is superior, it should not be an issue, and someone getting paid to write such drivel had the metaphorical visual distortion. It's alright, ... I went back and looked and saw the blogger was bald, so I didn't know what to think, ... I knew we were agreeing on Sproles being the better back and the one New Orleans would rather have ... I'm not trying to yank chains by suggesting there's an argument for Bush, it's just an interesting debate, all considered ... I wish the Lions had these kind of running back problems/debates, . Originally Posted by The Dude I would rather have someone that actually gets yards all year round than a guy who may have a higher "rushing average" for 8 games. This is about real production not stats. Stats do not matter one bit it just gives nerds something to argue about when they are wrong. Winning and producing is what counts not stats. ... and I absolutely agreed with you and supported Sproles over Bush for this reason, but it can't be denied Bush starting 15 games for MIA and gaining 1000+ yds isn't production and he was on the Saints 2009 roster as far as the 'winning' thing goes ... I honestly think Bush is the better individual back (when healthy), not because I'm a stats nerd arguing because I'm wrong, but because the stats jump out at you ... Sproles basically contributes the same production as Bush did in NO, which is an improvement over his SD numbers, and is more durable, while Bush went on to MIA and had his most productive season ever ... it's just the way NO/MIA use their RB's and it's win/win for both teams they each got a running back that fits so well into their offensive schemes. I'm not arguing, just saying I see the how some people would say Bush is the superior weapon, which he may be in MIA, but not in NO.

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