Great Finish

saintz08 · 12-02-2002, 08:45 PM

I had a real problem with it , I must say . That 2 point play was a real bonehead call . If you go back to Grammaticas kick , if he makes it , that final Tampa touchdown ties it all up . If Haslett had called for the kicking unit , they would have been 1 point behind . Against the number 1 defense in the league , you never take points off the board .

whodatsaintsfan26 · 12-02-2002, 09:47 PM

In the situation you were in then what is the difference between being up 4 or 5? Go for the two and if you make it your up 2 field goals. I seem to be in the minority here, but I liked the call.

saintz08 · 12-03-2002, 01:01 AM

It comes down to a numbers game .

He misses the 2 point conversion and in an absurd way , 2 yards back he slams an injured player into the number 1 defense .

He ends up with a 3 point victory , had Grammatica made the field goal earlier , it would have been tied .

If he goes for the extra point , Tampa is still down by one point . They have to 2 point convert to tie . The odds are against them making the 2 point ,with our front line last night then again with Bellamy playing with his back to the Qb , maybe not .

Saintfan4ever · 12-03-2002, 04:10 AM

As far as the 2 point conversion attempts, I have to say I like the call. Even if we don`t make it, we`re telling the opposing defenses \"we`re not affraid to go for it\". I remember the day of playing too conservative and I hated that. I like the gutsy calls.
My favorite play was the Brooks handoff to Duece, flip back to Brooks and down the field to Horn. What a great play!

SaintStoneyMount · 12-03-2002, 08:29 AM

Great win. Somebody needs to steal Hasletts two point conversion chart. As far as the penalty, it should have been taken. to push the Bucs back. Great overall effort. I think the defense is finally starting to come around. Let\'s all hope so.

GEAUX SAINTS

saintz08 · 12-03-2002, 10:15 AM

The 2 point is a good call , at times . Early in a game , banged up runningback , against the number 1 defense in the league . I do not like it .

Against the Bungles , 2 point it all day long .

I think Ctillman called Haz and said \" The Brooks bashers are out , give us something new \" .

Haz goes for the 2 pointer .

Conspiracy theory here . :P

daviddrake2 · 12-03-2002, 11:36 AM

After reading all of the responses and opinions here and in other threads, I still have to cast my vote against Has\' 2-point conversion attempt in Sunday night\'s Bucs game. In my opinion, you take the chance on a 2 pointer only if the situation meets certain requirements:

1) you really need the additional point, and

2) you have a better than 50% chance of making it (i.e. is you running back healthy and has he already shown that he can power his way through the league\'s best defense)

* you have to also take into account variables such as current field conditions, momentum swing of the game, past success of 2-pt. tries, etc.

Under these criteria, I just don\'t think the SAINTS should have attempted it. I am just glad that the call (not putting that almost sure 1 point on the board) did not end up biting them in the ass in the end. The momentum would have most certainly been with the Bucs if they would have been able to come back and tie the game. And with Brooks, McAllister and Carter out, I truly believe the Bucs stood a really good chance of winning in overtime. That\'s just my opinion, for what it\'s worth.

Anyway, it was still a great, well-earned victory in a game where the entire team showed a national television audience that they are still a force to be reckoned with and should not be counted out in the playoffs.

Go SAINS!!!!!

David in Houston

lsusurfer · 12-03-2002, 01:18 PM

Good Point Gaterman... I was almost praying that Haz wouldn\'t just try and run it up the middle, get stopped short, and punt it back. Because they would have had plenty of time to come up the field in 3 plays and score a TD in the final few seconds and send LSU home as losers....oh yah wrong game but I didn\'t want to see it twice in one weekend.

daviddrake2 · 12-03-2002, 01:32 PM

You are exactly right Gator. Has did the right thing with calling the pass by Jake to Duece to seal the win. I am glad he had the guts to do so. I also believe he deserves credit for a number of other equally as gutsy calls throughout the season. His calling style is far better than anything this city has seen in a l-o-n-g time.

I also think your right in that we will always second guess the coach\'s calls when key plays fail. We all want to believe we could have or would have made the better choice. That is just part of the game. Afterall, aren\'t we all armchair quarterbacks?

So, yes I and every other SAINTS fan should just appreciate the great job Has has done in turning this team around. But part of the fun of being a fan is always going to be second guessing the coach, even if he is the best in the league.

Just my thoughts...

Go SAINTS!!!!!

David in Houston

pakowitz · 12-03-2002, 02:11 PM

i read somewhere, that before the pass to joe, hollywood was mouthing off to the corner that it was a pass and it was coming his way, and he dared him to stop it

12-02-2002, 08:45 PM	#11
saintz08 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,020	Great Finish I had a real problem with it , I must say . That 2 point play was a real bonehead call . If you go back to Grammaticas kick , if he makes it , that final Tampa touchdown ties it all up . If Haslett had called for the kicking unit , they would have been 1 point behind . Against the number 1 defense in the league , you never take points off the board .
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12-02-2002, 09:47 PM	#12
whodatsaintsfan26 500th Post Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dallas Texas Posts: 577	Great Finish In the situation you were in then what is the difference between being up 4 or 5? Go for the two and if you make it your up 2 field goals. I seem to be in the minority here, but I liked the call.

12-03-2002, 01:01 AM	#13
saintz08 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,020	Great Finish It comes down to a numbers game . He misses the 2 point conversion and in an absurd way , 2 yards back he slams an injured player into the number 1 defense . He ends up with a 3 point victory , had Grammatica made the field goal earlier , it would have been tied . If he goes for the extra point , Tampa is still down by one point . They have to 2 point convert to tie . The odds are against them making the 2 point ,with our front line last night then again with Bellamy playing with his back to the Qb , maybe not .
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12-03-2002, 04:10 AM	#14
Saintfan4ever Rookie Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 10	Great Finish As far as the 2 point conversion attempts, I have to say I like the call. Even if we don`t make it, we`re telling the opposing defenses \"we`re not affraid to go for it\". I remember the day of playing too conservative and I hated that. I like the gutsy calls. My favorite play was the Brooks handoff to Duece, flip back to Brooks and down the field to Horn. What a great play!
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12-03-2002, 08:29 AM	#15
SaintStoneyMount 100th Post Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Stone Mountain, GA Posts: 448	Great Finish Great win. Somebody needs to steal Hasletts two point conversion chart. As far as the penalty, it should have been taken. to push the Bucs back. Great overall effort. I think the defense is finally starting to come around. Let\'s all hope so. GEAUX SAINTS

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12-03-2002, 10:15 AM	#16
saintz08 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,020	Great Finish The 2 point is a good call , at times . Early in a game , banged up runningback , against the number 1 defense in the league . I do not like it . Against the Bungles , 2 point it all day long . I think Ctillman called Haz and said \" The Brooks bashers are out , give us something new \" . Haz goes for the 2 pointer . Conspiracy theory here . :P
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12-03-2002, 11:36 AM	#17
daviddrake2 100th Post Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Houston (formerly N.O.) Posts: 270	Great Finish After reading all of the responses and opinions here and in other threads, I still have to cast my vote against Has\' 2-point conversion attempt in Sunday night\'s Bucs game. In my opinion, you take the chance on a 2 pointer only if the situation meets certain requirements: 1) you really need the additional point, and 2) you have a better than 50% chance of making it (i.e. is you running back healthy and has he already shown that he can power his way through the league\'s best defense) * you have to also take into account variables such as current field conditions, momentum swing of the game, past success of 2-pt. tries, etc. Under these criteria, I just don\'t think the SAINTS should have attempted it. I am just glad that the call (not putting that almost sure 1 point on the board) did not end up biting them in the ass in the end. The momentum would have most certainly been with the Bucs if they would have been able to come back and tie the game. And with Brooks, McAllister and Carter out, I truly believe the Bucs stood a really good chance of winning in overtime. That\'s just my opinion, for what it\'s worth. Anyway, it was still a great, well-earned victory in a game where the entire team showed a national television audience that they are still a force to be reckoned with and should not be counted out in the playoffs. Go SAINS!!!!! David in Houston
	Go SAINTS!!!!! David in Houston

12-03-2002, 01:18 PM	#18
lsusurfer Registered Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 74	Great Finish Good Point Gaterman... I was almost praying that Haz wouldn\'t just try and run it up the middle, get stopped short, and punt it back. Because they would have had plenty of time to come up the field in 3 plays and score a TD in the final few seconds and send LSU home as losers....oh yah wrong game but I didn\'t want to see it twice in one weekend.
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12-03-2002, 01:32 PM	#19
daviddrake2 100th Post Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Houston (formerly N.O.) Posts: 270	Great Finish You are exactly right Gator. Has did the right thing with calling the pass by Jake to Duece to seal the win. I am glad he had the guts to do so. I also believe he deserves credit for a number of other equally as gutsy calls throughout the season. His calling style is far better than anything this city has seen in a l-o-n-g time. I also think your right in that we will always second guess the coach\'s calls when key plays fail. We all want to believe we could have or would have made the better choice. That is just part of the game. Afterall, aren\'t we all armchair quarterbacks? So, yes I and every other SAINTS fan should just appreciate the great job Has has done in turning this team around. But part of the fun of being a fan is always going to be second guessing the coach, even if he is the best in the league. Just my thoughts... Go SAINTS!!!!! David in Houston
	Go SAINTS!!!!! David in Houston

12-03-2002, 02:11 PM	#20
pakowitz The Dark Overlord Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,450	Great Finish i read somewhere, that before the pass to joe, hollywood was mouthing off to the corner that it was a pass and it was coming his way, and he dared him to stop it