Great Finish

pakowitz · 12-02-2002, 10:47 AM

im glad that we won but i really dont think that we played that well, our offense wasnt that great except for the play of Deuce, that man is a warrior, and Joe \"hollywood\" Horn, he makes big plays when we need them, and JAKE, coming in off the bench to seal the deal with a great textbook pass to Hollywood, the D played better then they have all year and were screwed on the pass interference call and the non offensive pass interference call, michael lewis had some good returns and he also had some bad ones, but im not here to take away from the saints, overall we played much better then as of late

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daviddrake2 · 12-02-2002, 11:31 AM

I have got to say that last night\'s wins was certainly one of the SAINTS better played games of the year.

For all of my complaints about Brooks over the last couple of weeks, I must admit that his performance, along with the whole team was mush improved last night. Aaron persevered and overcame the early massive pass rush to engineer key drives in the third. He played pretty well, even though he was injured, did not throw an interception or fumble and did not leave the game until the final series.

My only real complaints about Brooks at this point is that he is still not staying in the pocket when passing,instead he back peddles and leaves himself open for sacks and hits from the defenders. Also, he still is not taking advantage of the lanes when his receivers are covered. There were several times when he could have scrambled for needed yardage, instead he either threw the ball away or just took the sack. But all in all, he played much better last night than he has done in a while. I just hope this is a sign of how he\'ll play in the remaining games.

As for the rest of the team, I was impressed as well, for the most part. The defense played extremely well, except for a little too much cushion on the short pass. The o-line played fairly well -- still too many defenders getting to Brooks too fast. Special teams played a great game and Duece really showed what he was made of, playing injured, obviously limited by his injusy and still gaining nearly 100 yards. And lets not forget the stellar performance by Carter, he really stepped up his game last night as did Hodge, Howard, Craver, Thomas, Smith and Irvin. Bellamy\'s interception of Johnson did not hurt either.

So I would have to agree with you guys that this was a true total team win. And although it will not be a cakewalk with the final four regular season games (the Vikes are playing tough ball, the Ravens are a 500 team that can give most a run for their money and the Panthers have something to prove in the division), the SAINTS playoffs hopes are looking pretty good -- considerable better than just a week ago.

Go SAINTS!!!!!

David in Houston

Rob · 12-02-2002, 11:33 AM

I agree with your rankings except in one area. Haslet should have taken the penalty on the Bucs last drive to force a third and 14 or so. He thought they were going to punt but they made the decision to go after Haslet declined the penalty. I thought a third and 14 would be difficult for the Bucs to make especially with the pass rush he was seeing, but it turned out o.k. anyway.

As faras top performers for this game, I thought Duece played an inspirational game as did several others, but I believe Delhomme saved the day and is my MVP. This was tremendous pressure on him to have to come in after having not thrown a ball all season in a game against a defense like the Bucs and make that play. I also have to give credit to whomever called the play as I thought we were going to run the ball to run as much clock as possible. I had visions of the game against the Rams a couple of years ago when they were mounting a 4th quarter comeback and the return man fumbled the punt to save a win for us. I an convinced that momentum would have won that game for the Rams and the Bucs would have come back on us last night. You never know but big mo seldom fails the hot team. The Saints did what they had to do by throwing that pass and seizing big mo from the Bucs. I remember a day when we would have punted and forced the defense to save the win.

lsusurfer · 12-02-2002, 11:53 AM

I agree, I think Coach Haslett goofed on two calls. Should have kicked the extra point in the first corner and not gone for the NFL record of 10 2nd point conversion attempts in one season. Also, he should of taken that holding penatly, I think it would have put them back to 3rd and 20? right

pakowitz · 12-02-2002, 12:09 PM

ahhh yes, i had forgotten about the decision to not accept the penalty, i agree on the point, they should have taken the penalty, and also kicked the extra point

whodatsaintsfan26 · 12-02-2002, 04:50 PM

I didnt really have a problem with him going for the 2 point conversion. With Tampa\'s offense two field goal lead makes sense.

pakowitz · 12-02-2002, 05:01 PM

yea but by goin for it, means that he thinks his offense wont score much

whodatsaintsfan26 · 12-02-2002, 05:29 PM

With Tampas defense that should probably be the thinking.

daviddrake2 · 12-02-2002, 08:33 PM

I know I\'m no expert play caller. but I have to question the SAINTS\' penchant for attempting 2-point conversions so often, especially early in the game when they are not absolutely necessary. Those failed attempts have haunted us more than once. It seems like we are always wishing we would have just put up the almost sure points in favor of chasing that elusive extra point.

Does anyone have the stat on how many of those 2-point conversions we have actually made?

Go SAINTS!!!!!

David in Houston

whodatsaintsfan26 · 12-02-2002, 08:53 PM

3 of 10. 30 percent on 2 point conversions. I know Haslett has the 2 point sheet and you should go for it when it says to. I didnt have a problem with the one yesterday, but have seen some in the past that made me go hum?

12-02-2002, 10:47 AM	#1
pakowitz The Dark Overlord Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,450	Great Finish im glad that we won but i really dont think that we played that well, our offense wasnt that great except for the play of Deuce, that man is a warrior, and Joe \"hollywood\" Horn, he makes big plays when we need them, and JAKE, coming in off the bench to seal the deal with a great textbook pass to Hollywood, the D played better then they have all year and were screwed on the pass interference call and the non offensive pass interference call, michael lewis had some good returns and he also had some bad ones, but im not here to take away from the saints, overall we played much better then as of late Paks Overall ranking: B+ Paks Offense ranking: B- Paks Defense ranking: B+ Paks Special Teams ranking: B+ Paks Coaching ranking: A Paks Crowd ranking: A Paks Massive Drunken-ness: A+
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12-02-2002, 11:31 AM	#2
daviddrake2 100th Post Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Houston (formerly N.O.) Posts: 270	Great Finish I have got to say that last night\'s wins was certainly one of the SAINTS better played games of the year. For all of my complaints about Brooks over the last couple of weeks, I must admit that his performance, along with the whole team was mush improved last night. Aaron persevered and overcame the early massive pass rush to engineer key drives in the third. He played pretty well, even though he was injured, did not throw an interception or fumble and did not leave the game until the final series. My only real complaints about Brooks at this point is that he is still not staying in the pocket when passing,instead he back peddles and leaves himself open for sacks and hits from the defenders. Also, he still is not taking advantage of the lanes when his receivers are covered. There were several times when he could have scrambled for needed yardage, instead he either threw the ball away or just took the sack. But all in all, he played much better last night than he has done in a while. I just hope this is a sign of how he\'ll play in the remaining games. As for the rest of the team, I was impressed as well, for the most part. The defense played extremely well, except for a little too much cushion on the short pass. The o-line played fairly well -- still too many defenders getting to Brooks too fast. Special teams played a great game and Duece really showed what he was made of, playing injured, obviously limited by his injusy and still gaining nearly 100 yards. And lets not forget the stellar performance by Carter, he really stepped up his game last night as did Hodge, Howard, Craver, Thomas, Smith and Irvin. Bellamy\'s interception of Johnson did not hurt either. So I would have to agree with you guys that this was a true total team win. And although it will not be a cakewalk with the final four regular season games (the Vikes are playing tough ball, the Ravens are a 500 team that can give most a run for their money and the Panthers have something to prove in the division), the SAINTS playoffs hopes are looking pretty good -- considerable better than just a week ago. Go SAINTS!!!!! David in Houston
	Go SAINTS!!!!! David in Houston

12-02-2002, 11:33 AM	#3
Rob Rookie Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 20	Great Finish I agree with your rankings except in one area. Haslet should have taken the penalty on the Bucs last drive to force a third and 14 or so. He thought they were going to punt but they made the decision to go after Haslet declined the penalty. I thought a third and 14 would be difficult for the Bucs to make especially with the pass rush he was seeing, but it turned out o.k. anyway. As faras top performers for this game, I thought Duece played an inspirational game as did several others, but I believe Delhomme saved the day and is my MVP. This was tremendous pressure on him to have to come in after having not thrown a ball all season in a game against a defense like the Bucs and make that play. I also have to give credit to whomever called the play as I thought we were going to run the ball to run as much clock as possible. I had visions of the game against the Rams a couple of years ago when they were mounting a 4th quarter comeback and the return man fumbled the punt to save a win for us. I an convinced that momentum would have won that game for the Rams and the Bucs would have come back on us last night. You never know but big mo seldom fails the hot team. The Saints did what they had to do by throwing that pass and seizing big mo from the Bucs. I remember a day when we would have punted and forced the defense to save the win.
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12-02-2002, 11:53 AM	#4
lsusurfer Registered Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 74	Great Finish I agree, I think Coach Haslett goofed on two calls. Should have kicked the extra point in the first corner and not gone for the NFL record of 10 2nd point conversion attempts in one season. Also, he should of taken that holding penatly, I think it would have put them back to 3rd and 20? right
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12-02-2002, 12:09 PM	#5
pakowitz The Dark Overlord Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,450	Great Finish ahhh yes, i had forgotten about the decision to not accept the penalty, i agree on the point, they should have taken the penalty, and also kicked the extra point

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12-02-2002, 04:50 PM	#6
whodatsaintsfan26 500th Post Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dallas Texas Posts: 577	Great Finish I didnt really have a problem with him going for the 2 point conversion. With Tampa\'s offense two field goal lead makes sense.

12-02-2002, 05:01 PM	#7
pakowitz The Dark Overlord Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,450	Great Finish yea but by goin for it, means that he thinks his offense wont score much

12-02-2002, 05:29 PM	#8
whodatsaintsfan26 500th Post Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dallas Texas Posts: 577	Great Finish With Tampas defense that should probably be the thinking.

12-02-2002, 08:33 PM	#9
daviddrake2 100th Post Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Houston (formerly N.O.) Posts: 270	Great Finish I know I\'m no expert play caller. but I have to question the SAINTS\' penchant for attempting 2-point conversions so often, especially early in the game when they are not absolutely necessary. Those failed attempts have haunted us more than once. It seems like we are always wishing we would have just put up the almost sure points in favor of chasing that elusive extra point. Does anyone have the stat on how many of those 2-point conversions we have actually made? Go SAINTS!!!!! David in Houston

12-02-2002, 08:53 PM	#10
whodatsaintsfan26 500th Post Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dallas Texas Posts: 577	Great Finish 3 of 10. 30 percent on 2 point conversions. I know Haslett has the 2 point sheet and you should go for it when it says to. I didnt have a problem with the one yesterday, but have seen some in the past that made me go hum?