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Halo 07-26-2012 03:37 PM

‏@rjonesTP
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I would prognosticate it's not looking good for Vilma. Exhaustion of relief and LaGuardia Act may be deal breakers for Judge Berrigan
You're also NOT an attorney rjonesTP.... just a student reporter.... NEXT...

Halo 07-26-2012 03:39 PM

@rjonesTP
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Ginsberg: "I understand that your honor cannot possibly decide these legal issues today." Judge: "Thank you."
@JohnDeShazier
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Wish the wheels of justice would've slowed down long enough for a ruling today

Halo 07-26-2012 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Beastmode (Post 421399)
Not getting off the treadmill until it ends today...I'm at over 7mi....come on I'm dying!

I think you can get off Beastmode. Sounds like it's in Judge Decision Mode for now probably until tomorrow.

Halo 07-26-2012 03:45 PM

@rjonesTP
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Judge now turns to NFL: "I have serious jurisdictional concerns about what Mr. Goodell did."
@rjonesTP

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The judge lists off more than five issues she has with Goodell's jurisdiction over these matters. NFL attorneys are jotting them down

Beastmode 07-26-2012 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Halo (Post 421403)
I think you can get off Beastmode. Sounds like it's in Judge Decision Mode for now probably until tomorrow.

Thanks.....!!

CharityMike 07-26-2012 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Halo (Post 421405)
@rjonesTP

Judge now turns to NFL: "I have serious jurisdictional concerns about what Mr. Goodell did."

:popcorn:

Halo 07-26-2012 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Beastmode (Post 421406)
Thanks.....!!

Beastmode - the Judge is RIPPING the NFL! FTW

:lightsabres:

Halo 07-26-2012 03:47 PM

@SportsLawGuy
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Judge says that Burbank's arbitration decision re jurisdiction is "questionable"
‏@SportsLawGuy
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Judge- if I do overturn suspension, do I decide punishment or send it back for another arbitration?

Beastmode 07-26-2012 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Halo (Post 421408)
Beastmode - the Judge is RIPPING the NFL! FTW

:lightsabres:

I'm pass the wall...over 8mi now.

Halo 07-26-2012 03:49 PM

‏@SportsLawGuy
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Judge has concerns about NFL's process overall and is asking series of questions about commish's jurisdiction to discipline Vilma
FTW

FTW

CharityMike 07-26-2012 03:49 PM

Im getting a good feeling!!

Halo 07-26-2012 03:51 PM

@SportsLawGuy
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Judge-arbitrators "sliced the salami too thin" on ruling that commish had jurisdiction.
@SportsLawGuy
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Too soon to tell anything conclusive, but based on Judge's lengthy questions, field has tilted in Vilma's favor
FTW

CharityMike 07-26-2012 03:53 PM

sorry but what does FTW mean?

TXGSP 07-26-2012 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Halo (Post 421405)
The judge lists off more than five issues she has with Goodell's jurisdiction over these matters. NFL attorneys are jotting them down

Wish they would list the concerns.

If the judge finds the concerns overwhelming enough from these cases:

Could the current CBA be vacated due to the way it is written?

Interesting turn...basically on the eve of the season.

Halo 07-26-2012 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by CharityMike (Post 421415)
sorry but what does FTW mean?

FOR THE WIN!

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ftw

Halo 07-26-2012 03:57 PM

IT'S A CAT FIGHT!

@rjonesTP
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NFLPA attorney Jeffrey Kessler comes out of nowhere swinging with a fiery argument on failure to exhaust remedies
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Kessler: We asked Goodell not to rule on appeal b/c panel had not been formed yet for Burbank's decision. It was they who forced our hand
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Kessler: Because the NFL ruled on June 18, we are left with no other options. Panel doesn't exist. The failure to exhaust is a "red herring"

Beastmode 07-26-2012 03:58 PM

The tables have turned...Kessler could be finding a new employer if this doesn't go away.

Halo 07-26-2012 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by TXGSP (Post 421416)
Wish they would list the concerns.

If the judge finds the concerns overwhelming enough from these cases:

Could the current CBA be vacated due to the way it is written?

Interesting turn...basically on the eve of the season.

Legal pundits are saying that the Judge is saying the NFL over-stepped their bounds (LEGALLY) on the Appeal. She's saying that Goodell should NEVER have been Judge at the hearing and arbitrator at the Appeal.

THIS IS HUGE FOR ALL THE REST OF ALL THE CASES! Not just this restraining order.

Halo 07-26-2012 04:02 PM

HERE COMES THE NFL'S CLOSING

@SportsLawGuy
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NFL lawyer (Greg Levy) highlighting court's limited role in deciding jurisdiction of arbitrators.
@JohnDeShazier
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She (Judge)has issues with whether Goodell complied with CBA

Halo 07-26-2012 04:06 PM

NFL ON THEIR HEALS FIRING BACK DIRECTLY AT THE JUDGE!
Don't think they're WINNING LOL

@rjonesTP
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NFL firing back at Berrigan on Goodell's jurisdiction: "Those were findings made by Professor Burbank, who has seven years experience..."
@rjonesTP
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Gregg Levy, NFL attorney: "I'm not saying (Burbank) gets them all right because we've lost a few."
@SportsLawGuy
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Summing up NFL's attempt to tilt field back in their favor- judge simply doesn't have power to decide jurisdiction of arbitrators.

Mardigras9 07-26-2012 04:07 PM

Amazing how different it is when Goodell isn't Judge and Jury.

Halo 07-26-2012 04:10 PM

@SportsLawGuy
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NFL-Vilma's witnesses today were irrelevant. Court has no power to decide case on merits, so their opinion on existence of bounty irrelevant

Ashley 07-26-2012 04:12 PM

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Please Mother of Jobu ..... Let this blow up in the NFL's face.

TXGSP 07-26-2012 04:13 PM

"Professor Burbank" - no wonder he made the decisions he made.

As a Professor he "lives" in a theoretical world.

Not an instult to higher education, but there are some professors I wouldn't let make a decision about the color shirt I should wear tomorrow.

CharityMike 07-26-2012 04:13 PM

OMG...so thats what they are going with? Slamming the Judge?? LOL..I hope she overturns it just in spite!!

Halo 07-26-2012 04:15 PM

UPDATED - NFL CLOSING ARGUMENTS
 
@rjonesTP
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Kessler tears off a note and hurries up to Ginsberg. Real-time legal strategizing.
NFL BROKEN RECORD DEFENSE:

@SportsLawGuy
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NFL-Vilma could have called today's witnesses at appeal before RG. Because chose not to,failed to exhaust remedies &case should be dismissed
@rjonesTP
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Levy: There was never an effort made to contact witnesses to testify in front of Goodell
@SportsLawGuy
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NFL also arguing that Norris LGA prevents court from granting injunction here (as NFL writers have lockout PTSD flashbacks)
PTSD = Post Traumatic Stress Disorder - comment from the Tulane Law Professor.

@JohnDeShazier
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NFL hammering point that Vilma didn't present witnesses at appeal and arbitration and appeal process is collectively bargained
@SportsLawGuy
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Summing up part of NFL argument- judge may disagree with commish's decison&process,but as matter of law,she doesn't have power to change it

Halo 07-26-2012 04:31 PM

After NFL closing arguments...

@SportsLawGuy
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Judge again suggests that this seems like something that commish perhaps didn't have jurisdiction to hear, "but maybe I can't get to that"

Halo 07-26-2012 04:38 PM

GINSBURG BACK UP

@SportsLawGuy
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Vilma's lawyer back up, repeating argument that RG violated CBA and abused his powers.
@rjonesTP
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Ginsberg: Even if judge can't rule that Goodell was wrong, he did get it wrong. There has to be some kind of legal remedy

Halo 07-26-2012 04:41 PM

HEARING IS ENDED....

Again, Judge said no decision today.

FinSaint 07-26-2012 04:46 PM

Thanks for the play-by-play Halo, really appreciate it! :bng:

Halo 07-26-2012 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by FinSaint (Post 421440)
Thanks for the play-by-play Halo, really appreciate it! :bng:

Thanks for thanking me. I'm exhausted and have to get SOME work done today....

SmashMouth 07-26-2012 05:14 PM

So Roger Goodell was remarkably absent?

Could it be due to this...not sure if this is RG in disguise?

'Beast of Brooklyn' washed up in New York

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Amateur photographer Denise Ginley snapped the mutant creature while walking along the East River on Sunday.
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Halo 07-26-2012 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 421444)
So Roger Goodell was remarkably absent?

HA! That coward would never show for that.

NFL: No Goodell, no 50,000 pages of evidence (not 1 page), not one (1) witness from the NFL at today's hearing.

Beastmode 07-26-2012 05:48 PM

I believe the NFL dropped their biggest bombs already and hit nothing. All they have left is the CBA bunker to fall back on.
It looks like it might hold but if I were them I would seriously consider a truce right now. It would not surprise me if they are entertaining the idea after today.

saintfan 07-26-2012 05:53 PM

Halo, this is why I love this website! I'm at work and I know right where to go for the latest!

Rugby Saint II 07-26-2012 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by saintfan (Post 421454)
Halo, this is why I love this website! I'm at work and I know right where to go for the latest!

Ain't that the truth!:bng:

Halo 07-26-2012 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by saintfan (Post 421454)
Halo, this is why I love this website! I'm at work and I know right where to go for the latest!

CourtTV ain't got nuttin on me!

It's TruTV now DOH!

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SaintsBro 07-27-2012 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Beastmode (Post 421452)
It looks like it might hold but if I were them I would seriously consider a truce right now. It would not surprise me if they are entertaining the idea after today.

The way the judge was acting towards the NFL towards the end of the hearing, it might have been her way of subtly encouraging them to do just that. It may have been her way of saying, "I'm not going to rule today, and you may not like how I'm going to rule, in fact neither of you may like it, so I'll give you some time to keep talking and work it out amongst yourselves." Would not be the first time a judge has done something like that.

onebyone 07-27-2012 11:02 AM

I hope this ends well for Vilma. I would love a ruling in his favor, but if they could work something out, that works too.

NuNu318 07-27-2012 11:26 AM

Even though this is just for a restraining order to halt the suspension while the lawsuits are going on...its a huge step for not only vilma but the other players. The judge has serious questions about how this has been interpreted and decided upon...meaning althought the NFL is hiding behind the CBA saying that she has no jurisdiction...it is null and void if she finds that the NFL has violated the CBA with its ruling in the first place.


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