I told ya, yes I did...

saintz08 · 06-18-2004, 12:40 PM

Because Jake went to the super bowl, does that mean he\'s better than Brooks? Hmmm...

Alright try this Billy .

The Saints are billed as the offensive jaugernaut , with the high powered explosive offense and have invested highly in it to surround Brooks with the talent to make him excel in the system .

The Panther are billed as the defensive jaugernaut , with the we will stop you mentality .

Yet for some reason , when you lay the stats from Brooks and Delhomme side by side , you just do not see Brooks as the Quarterback as an offensive powerhouse team .

Brooks has the tools in place around him to light the score board up , yet he puts up stats that have him rated at the level of a defensive minded team . For the investment in players the Saints staff has surrounded Brooks with , he should be putting up Peyton Manning type numbers .

Delhomme in his first year for a new team , in a new system managed to put up stats comparable to a veteran in a familiar system with better players on offense surrounding him .

You can toss in the interceptions comparison for Brooks and Delhomme , but try not to forget the sack totals . Delhomme may give up a few more interceptions but he is less likely to get caught in the backfield trying to make up his mind as to where to throw the ball .....

GumboBC · 06-18-2004, 12:59 PM

08 --

The thing that I\'m hearing from the Jake supporters is that Jake will improve on his first season with the Panthers. That could be true. Or, it might not work out that way. Maybe, Jake played the best ball of his career last year. (and he didn\'t play that good last year.) Maybe it was a magical ride for the Panthers and Jake.

Will Jake be the next Tom Brady? Well, the Panthers had better hope so. Personally, I don\'t see it.

I\'m sure the Panthers are feeling warm and fuzzy inside since making it to the super bowl last year. Oh, what a differece a year makes, though.

That new offensive line might not allow Jake to have all that protection he enjoyed last year. Maybe that running game isn\'t so successful this year. Maybe Jake might have to be a passing QB.

I rank Jake Delhomme in the bottom 10 of QB\'s in the NFL. I\'m glad Jake is in our division, cause he doesn\'t scare me NONE. I think Jake is the weak link to that team. I wish every team had a Jake Delhomme.

I told ya\'ll last year that the Bucs were not the team to beat. This year I\'m tellin\' ya Jake might lose his starting job.

saintz08 · 06-18-2004, 01:17 PM

I told ya\'ll last year that the Bucs were not the team to beat. This year I\'m tellin\' ya Jake might lose his starting job.

I tell ya something too .

I would not worry about the remodel of the Superdome if Jake lights it up in the Superdome this season , because the roof is going to come off ......

If the Panthers beat the Saints at home . Hasbeen better have a great hiding spot ..... :P

BlackandBlue · 06-18-2004, 01:34 PM

...and I\'M telling you, there\'s life still left in that pony.

WHACK WHACK WHACK!!!

When are you people, and I\'m talking to both sides here, going to wake up and realize that your not going to change the minds of the other people on this board? How many times must we rehash the same ****? They\'re both good QB\'s- let\'s try to get past this.

[Edited on 18/6/2004 by BlackandBlue]

GumboBC · 06-18-2004, 01:48 PM

...and I\'M telling you, there\'s life still left in that pony.

WHACK WHACK WHACK!!!

When are you people, and I\'m talking to both sides here, going to wake up and realize that your not going to change the minds of the other people on this board? How many times must we rehash the same ****? They\'re both good QB\'s- let\'s try to get past this.

[Edited on 18/6/2004 by BlackandBlue]

LMAO!!

Hey, I got off the pony, but someone put some new shoes and a new saddle on \'em and rode him back into town. Only this time the pony came back a multi-million dollar horse. But, I say he\'s still a MULE__ :P

BlackandBlue · 06-18-2004, 01:56 PM

Hah, that\'s a pretty funny analogy.

I\'m not trying to rip anyone in particular on this, I just wish we could argue a new subject, but I\'m not sure if you would get the same heated debates as you would with the Jake vs. AB has, and apparently, will continue to have. All I see is two men who are starting in the NFL, which automatically puts them in the top .0001% of their field, and sure as ****, they are there for a reason, not a fluke. One man led his team to the Super Bowl, and don\'t nitpick with me on me using the term \"lead\"- it was intentional, while the other is an athletic speciman who put up some of the best stats of any QB last year- we\'re talking Pro Bowl numbers, had it not been for the fumbles. They both have their flaws- accept it and move on.
And if anyone tells me that I don\'t have to read the threads if I don\'t like the subject, you\'ll be sucking air through your ass if I ever get ahold of you.

[Edited on 18/6/2004 by BlackandBlue]

saintz08 · 06-18-2004, 02:02 PM

I\'m not trying to rip anyone in particular on this, I just wish we could argue a new subject, but I\'m not sure if you would get the same heated debates as you would with the Jake vs. AB has, and apparently, will continue to have.

We aint beatin the horse any longer , some of us are just tenderizing it to make it easier for others to swallow ..... :P

GumboBC · 06-18-2004, 02:11 PM

Well, B&B. I understand the frustration some might have with the AB and Delhomme debates. Let me first say, I\'m not the one that started it. But, I have no problem with it and I enjoy throwing my 2 pennies in there.

I think you are right in one way, in that the debate has gone on for a long time and it\'s probably been beaten to death.

However, new situations arise that that bring the spot light back on the same old tired debate. Delhommes\' contract is fuel for the fire.

It\'s not just this board that the debate is being revisited. It\'s on every Saints board on the net. As well as some other NFL team boards.

I don\'t think it\'s about who is right or wrong, because only time is going to determine that.

You are neutral on most subjects, as I think you are about Delhomme and Brooks. But, some aren\'t nuetral and are passionate about the debate. IMHO, I think everyone should post their opinions on the subject as long as it\'s kept civil and no one is calling someone\'s opinion stupid.

But, that\'s not my call. I don\'t control what is posted on this board.

So, I know being that you are neutral on the subject that it must be frustrating as hell to read something over and over that you don\'t care about, but I\'m sure there are some folks that feel the same way about subjects you enjoy reading.

Know what I mean?

JKool · 06-18-2004, 03:05 PM

B&B,

(1) What do you mean Jake \"lead\" the team?

(2) If you don\'t like this discussion, don\'t read it.

:P

JKool · 06-18-2004, 03:08 PM

Sorry, I couldn\'t resist.

Though, I must say that there hasn\'t been too much to talk about lately - not only that, everyone seemed to be away last week. Where the heck was everyone? See, maybe I\'m not very interesting, but I tried to start a discussion on two different topics (I even tied one of them into the the \"is Haz a good coach point, for crying out loud), and, as I recall, only Euphoria seemed to want to play.

Other than the lack of depth at DB and the unproven nature of our LBs, I haven\'t seem much in the way of discussion since Billy\'s claim that our CBs were good enough.

06-18-2004, 12:40 PM	#21
saintz08 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,020	I told ya, yes I did... Because Jake went to the super bowl, does that mean he\'s better than Brooks? Hmmm... Alright try this Billy . The Saints are billed as the offensive jaugernaut , with the high powered explosive offense and have invested highly in it to surround Brooks with the talent to make him excel in the system . The Panther are billed as the defensive jaugernaut , with the we will stop you mentality . Yet for some reason , when you lay the stats from Brooks and Delhomme side by side , you just do not see Brooks as the Quarterback as an offensive powerhouse team . Brooks has the tools in place around him to light the score board up , yet he puts up stats that have him rated at the level of a defensive minded team . For the investment in players the Saints staff has surrounded Brooks with , he should be putting up Peyton Manning type numbers . Delhomme in his first year for a new team , in a new system managed to put up stats comparable to a veteran in a familiar system with better players on offense surrounding him . You can toss in the interceptions comparison for Brooks and Delhomme , but try not to forget the sack totals . Delhomme may give up a few more interceptions but he is less likely to get caught in the backfield trying to make up his mind as to where to throw the ball .....
saintz08 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,020	\"Americans play to win at all times. I wouldn\'t give a hoot in hell for a man who lost and laughed.\" - George S. Patton On another note, I\'ll take a bite of that crow 08. - Saintfan Brooks is a moron!! - Halo

06-18-2004, 12:59 PM	#22
GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616	I told ya, yes I did... 08 -- The thing that I\'m hearing from the Jake supporters is that Jake will improve on his first season with the Panthers. That could be true. Or, it might not work out that way. Maybe, Jake played the best ball of his career last year. (and he didn\'t play that good last year.) Maybe it was a magical ride for the Panthers and Jake. Will Jake be the next Tom Brady? Well, the Panthers had better hope so. Personally, I don\'t see it. I\'m sure the Panthers are feeling warm and fuzzy inside since making it to the super bowl last year. Oh, what a differece a year makes, though. That new offensive line might not allow Jake to have all that protection he enjoyed last year. Maybe that running game isn\'t so successful this year. Maybe Jake might have to be a passing QB. I rank Jake Delhomme in the bottom 10 of QB\'s in the NFL. I\'m glad Jake is in our division, cause he doesn\'t scare me NONE. I think Jake is the weak link to that team. I wish every team had a Jake Delhomme. I told ya\'ll last year that the Bucs were not the team to beat. This year I\'m tellin\' ya Jake might lose his starting job.
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06-18-2004, 01:17 PM	#23
saintz08 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,020	I told ya, yes I did... I told ya\'ll last year that the Bucs were not the team to beat. This year I\'m tellin\' ya Jake might lose his starting job. I tell ya something too . I would not worry about the remodel of the Superdome if Jake lights it up in the Superdome this season , because the roof is going to come off ...... If the Panthers beat the Saints at home . Hasbeen better have a great hiding spot ..... :P
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06-18-2004, 01:34 PM	#24
BlackandBlue Kinder, gentler Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,889	I told ya, yes I did... ...and I\'M telling you, there\'s life still left in that pony. WHACK WHACK WHACK!!! When are you people, and I\'m talking to both sides here, going to wake up and realize that your not going to change the minds of the other people on this board? How many times must we rehash the same ****? They\'re both good QB\'s- let\'s try to get past this. [Edited on 18/6/2004 by BlackandBlue]

06-18-2004, 01:48 PM	#25
GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616	I told ya, yes I did... ...and I\'M telling you, there\'s life still left in that pony. WHACK WHACK WHACK!!! When are you people, and I\'m talking to both sides here, going to wake up and realize that your not going to change the minds of the other people on this board? How many times must we rehash the same ****? They\'re both good QB\'s- let\'s try to get past this. [Edited on 18/6/2004 by BlackandBlue] LMAO!! Hey, I got off the pony, but someone put some new shoes and a new saddle on \'em and rode him back into town. Only this time the pony came back a multi-million dollar horse. But, I say he\'s still a MULE__ :P
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06-18-2004, 01:56 PM	#26
BlackandBlue Kinder, gentler Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,889	I told ya, yes I did... Hah, that\'s a pretty funny analogy. I\'m not trying to rip anyone in particular on this, I just wish we could argue a new subject, but I\'m not sure if you would get the same heated debates as you would with the Jake vs. AB has, and apparently, will continue to have. All I see is two men who are starting in the NFL, which automatically puts them in the top .0001% of their field, and sure as ****, they are there for a reason, not a fluke. One man led his team to the Super Bowl, and don\'t nitpick with me on me using the term \"lead\"- it was intentional, while the other is an athletic speciman who put up some of the best stats of any QB last year- we\'re talking Pro Bowl numbers, had it not been for the fumbles. They both have their flaws- accept it and move on. And if anyone tells me that I don\'t have to read the threads if I don\'t like the subject, you\'ll be sucking air through your ass if I ever get ahold of you. [Edited on 18/6/2004 by BlackandBlue]
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06-18-2004, 02:02 PM	#27
saintz08 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,020	I told ya, yes I did... I\'m not trying to rip anyone in particular on this, I just wish we could argue a new subject, but I\'m not sure if you would get the same heated debates as you would with the Jake vs. AB has, and apparently, will continue to have. We aint beatin the horse any longer , some of us are just tenderizing it to make it easier for others to swallow ..... :P
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06-18-2004, 02:11 PM	#28
GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616	I told ya, yes I did... Well, B&B. I understand the frustration some might have with the AB and Delhomme debates. Let me first say, I\'m not the one that started it. But, I have no problem with it and I enjoy throwing my 2 pennies in there. I think you are right in one way, in that the debate has gone on for a long time and it\'s probably been beaten to death. However, new situations arise that that bring the spot light back on the same old tired debate. Delhommes\' contract is fuel for the fire. It\'s not just this board that the debate is being revisited. It\'s on every Saints board on the net. As well as some other NFL team boards. I don\'t think it\'s about who is right or wrong, because only time is going to determine that. You are neutral on most subjects, as I think you are about Delhomme and Brooks. But, some aren\'t nuetral and are passionate about the debate. IMHO, I think everyone should post their opinions on the subject as long as it\'s kept civil and no one is calling someone\'s opinion stupid. But, that\'s not my call. I don\'t control what is posted on this board. So, I know being that you are neutral on the subject that it must be frustrating as hell to read something over and over that you don\'t care about, but I\'m sure there are some folks that feel the same way about subjects you enjoy reading. Know what I mean?
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06-18-2004, 03:05 PM	#29
JKool 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 2,423	I told ya, yes I did... B&B, (1) What do you mean Jake \"lead\" the team? (2) If you don\'t like this discussion, don\'t read it. :P

06-18-2004, 03:08 PM	#30
JKool 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 2,423	I told ya, yes I did... Sorry, I couldn\'t resist. Though, I must say that there hasn\'t been too much to talk about lately - not only that, everyone seemed to be away last week. Where the heck was everyone? See, maybe I\'m not very interesting, but I tried to start a discussion on two different topics (I even tied one of them into the the \"is Haz a good coach point, for crying out loud), and, as I recall, only Euphoria seemed to want to play. Other than the lack of depth at DB and the unproven nature of our LBs, I haven\'t seem much in the way of discussion since Billy\'s claim that our CBs were good enough.
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