In regard to PsychoÃ¢Â€Â™s view on Aaron Brooks...

GumboBC · 07-07-2004, 03:26 PM

Puddinhead -- Very well said!!

I think Brooks is starting to win over a lot of his critics. Oh, they still have their doubts, but they are starting to be more fair with him.

It\'s much different on this board right now than what it was last year. Which is saying a lot. I pretty much find that to be true on most Saints boards. You\'ve still got your extremists, but Jesus Christ isn\'t going to change their minds...

Brooks is not without his faults. Nothing wrong with saying he needs to cut out the fumbling. Hell, I would even like to see Aaron become more of a vocal leader. But, I think folks follow success more than anything and as long as Aaron is being successful, I suspect the rest of the team will do just fine. Winning is the cure all.... :exclam:

Sarsippius · 07-07-2004, 03:57 PM

Without those rediculous fake-pass-fumbles last year, his season would have been considered a great one here in New Orleans. Of course without those fumbles, we win 2 more games and make it to the playoffs as well. Brooks in my opinion has the ability to become the best quarterback this team has ever had...sorry archie fans. I don\'t think brooks has the intelligence to ever get there, but he should come close. I doubt those freakish fumbles and contagious reciever drops reoccurr this year, so AB is poised to have his best year ever now that we apparently have the best recieving corps ever on the field as well. Anything less than a playoff push will be a disappointment to this city and cost Haslett his job. but anything less than a ring will lead critics to say that AB just can\'t win the big one like Peyton.

GumboBC · 07-07-2004, 04:04 PM

Brooks in my opinion has the ability to become the best quarterback this team has ever had...sorry archie fans. I don\'t think brooks has the intelligence to ever get there,

I\'ve often wondered how much intelligence it takes to be a great QB. I mean, you ain\'t exactly performing brain surgery out there. It is only football.

And how does anyone have ANY idea how intelligent Brooks is??

Terry Bradshaw was labled a \"stupid\" QB by Steelers fans for years. They based it on how he carried himself and how stupid he sounded when he spoke. That and all the trouble he had adjusting to life as an NFL QB.

They were wrong, though. And they never really had any reason to think Bradshaw was stupid anyway. Bradshaw might never had been smart enough to perform surgery, but, then again, he never wanted to.

JKool · 07-07-2004, 07:32 PM

Reading threads like this one makes me want to beat people with my eyes!

WhoDat · 07-07-2004, 07:57 PM

This is far too cordial for an Aaron Brooks debate.

Brooks sucks. The guy finds a new way to screw up every year. He shows just enough ability to make you think he can do anything and just enough stupidity to know that anything means anything. Every year he finds a new way - backpeddling, throwing at guys\' feet, locking onto a receiver (usually Horn), rolling into the rush, being slow in his decision making, INTs, fumbles, bad reads... it\'s always something.

Gone are the days of him as a running threat. He hasn\'t won one \"on his own\" in over a year at least. He isn\'t a leader and can\'t manage the game. You guys give him far too much credit.

BRING IT ON!!!!

[Edited on 8/7/2004 by WhoDat]

CheramieIII · 07-07-2004, 08:03 PM

The only difference in the fumble category between Brooks and Delhomme is the timing of the fumble itself. Brooks fumbled at the worst possible times and Delhomme got lucky
with his.

So my question is, if the situations were reversed would the Saints have gone on to the Superbowl instead of the Panthers?

Puddinhead · 07-08-2004, 07:47 AM

I don\'t think brooks has the intelligence to ever get there...

Let\'s just remember...the guy was an Anthropology major at one of the more respected academic schools in the ACC, Thomas Jefferson\'s University of Virginia.....not a PE major from USL. And no, that\'s not some kind of slap at Jake Delhomme--I have no idea what he majored in.

You can\'t be a half-wit and fully grasp all you need to run an NFL offense, true...but nowadays it\'s almost impossible to be a half-wit and stay eligible at a major Division I school. There\'s just too many eyes watching to make sure you play by the rules.

WhoDat · 07-08-2004, 09:14 AM

but nowadays it\'s almost impossible to be a half-wit and stay eligible at a major Division I school. There\'s just too many eyes watching to make sure you play by the rules.

Now that\'s just flat naieve. Seriously. Take it from a former collegiate athlete - those playing the major sports (football and basketball mainly) have basically no requirements. I went to a PRIVATE university and the basketball team was made up almost entirely of guys that would have had a hard time passing basic math.

Anyway, according to the Wonderlic Brooks is below the AVERAGE level of intelligence for ALL NFL players. You think it takes more intelligence to be a QB or a DT? Guys, the fact that he isn\'t bright won\'t stop him from being a good QB - but you really need to stop arguing that he is intelliegent, b/c it just isn\'t true. Tests have shown it, scouts have said it, and I\'ve seen it in his interviews and even in his play at times.

GumboBC · 07-08-2004, 09:47 AM

Now that\'s just flat naieve.
Anyway, according to the Wonderlic Brooks is below the AVERAGE level of intelligence for ALL NFL players. Guys, the fact that he isn\'t bright won\'t stop him from being a good QB - but you really need to stop arguing that he is intelliegent, b/c it just isn\'t true. Tests have shown it, scouts have said it, and I\'ve seen it in his interviews and even in his play at times.

You want to talk about being naieve? I\'ve met people that sounded and looked like a bumbling idiot but later found out they were FAR from it. But, you want to tell me you can tell how intelligent Brooks is from his interviews?

And that wonderlic test that you put all your faith in don\'t mean too much either. I seem to recall Einstein failed a simple entrance exam to an engineering school. As a matter of fact I believe Einstein did poorly in school growing up. I wonder what Einstein would score on the wonderlic exam?

And as far as Brooks play on the field. I\'ve seen all kinds of athletes make some of the most bone headed plays in the world. Did you ever see Chris Webber call the timeout in the national championship game?

There is no way you can know how intelligent Brooks is or isn\'t!!

WhoDat · 07-08-2004, 11:56 AM

And that wonderlic test that you put all your faith in don\'t mean too much either. I seem to recall Einstein failed a simple entrance exam to an engineering school. As a matter of fact I believe Einstein did poorly in school growing up. I wonder what Einstein would score on the wonderlic exam?

Oh my LORD. Now we\'re comparing Aaron Brooks to Einstein? Give me a freaking break Billy. That\'s way over the top even for you.

Now, let\'s look at this from another light. To support my belief that Aaron Brooks is probably not very intelligent I submit a standardized test on which he scored below average for all NFL entrants, scouting reports saying that he was not intelligent, and my own review of his statements and actions.

In support of your belief that Aaron Brooks is an intelligent person you enter? Anything? At all?

No. None, except maybe evidence that is completely circumstantial at best showing that one of the greatest thinkers of all time didn\'t do well in school early on. That\'s not a defense Billy.

Please give me some evidence that is DIRECTLY REPRESENTATIVE OF AARON BROOKS, not Terry Bradshaw, Albert Einstein, or any one else. Aaron Brooks. If you can\'t do that I will Move for Summary Judgment and I\'m guessing that Judge Gator will rule in my favor.

07-07-2004, 03:26 PM	#11
GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616	In regard to PsychoÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â„Â¢s view on Aaron Brooks... Puddinhead -- Very well said!! I think Brooks is starting to win over a lot of his critics. Oh, they still have their doubts, but they are starting to be more fair with him. It\'s much different on this board right now than what it was last year. Which is saying a lot. I pretty much find that to be true on most Saints boards. You\'ve still got your extremists, but Jesus Christ isn\'t going to change their minds... Brooks is not without his faults. Nothing wrong with saying he needs to cut out the fumbling. Hell, I would even like to see Aaron become more of a vocal leader. But, I think folks follow success more than anything and as long as Aaron is being successful, I suspect the rest of the team will do just fine. Winning is the cure all.... :exclam:
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07-07-2004, 03:57 PM	#12
Sarsippius Registered Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: New Orleans Posts: 90	In regard to PsychoÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â„Â¢s view on Aaron Brooks... Without those rediculous fake-pass-fumbles last year, his season would have been considered a great one here in New Orleans. Of course without those fumbles, we win 2 more games and make it to the playoffs as well. Brooks in my opinion has the ability to become the best quarterback this team has ever had...sorry archie fans. I don\'t think brooks has the intelligence to ever get there, but he should come close. I doubt those freakish fumbles and contagious reciever drops reoccurr this year, so AB is poised to have his best year ever now that we apparently have the best recieving corps ever on the field as well. Anything less than a playoff push will be a disappointment to this city and cost Haslett his job. but anything less than a ring will lead critics to say that AB just can\'t win the big one like Peyton.
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07-07-2004, 04:04 PM	#13
GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616	In regard to PsychoÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â„Â¢s view on Aaron Brooks... Brooks in my opinion has the ability to become the best quarterback this team has ever had...sorry archie fans. I don\'t think brooks has the intelligence to ever get there, I\'ve often wondered how much intelligence it takes to be a great QB. I mean, you ain\'t exactly performing brain surgery out there. It is only football. And how does anyone have ANY idea how intelligent Brooks is?? Terry Bradshaw was labled a \"stupid\" QB by Steelers fans for years. They based it on how he carried himself and how stupid he sounded when he spoke. That and all the trouble he had adjusting to life as an NFL QB. They were wrong, though. And they never really had any reason to think Bradshaw was stupid anyway. Bradshaw might never had been smart enough to perform surgery, but, then again, he never wanted to.
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07-07-2004, 07:32 PM	#14
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WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	In regard to PsychoÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â„Â¢s view on Aaron Brooks... This is far too cordial for an Aaron Brooks debate. Brooks sucks. The guy finds a new way to screw up every year. He shows just enough ability to make you think he can do anything and just enough stupidity to know that anything means anything. Every year he finds a new way - backpeddling, throwing at guys\' feet, locking onto a receiver (usually Horn), rolling into the rush, being slow in his decision making, INTs, fumbles, bad reads... it\'s always something. Gone are the days of him as a running threat. He hasn\'t won one \"on his own\" in over a year at least. He isn\'t a leader and can\'t manage the game. You guys give him far too much credit. BRING IT ON!!!! [Edited on 8/7/2004 by WhoDat]
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Puddinhead 100th Post Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 102	In regard to PsychoÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â„Â¢s view on Aaron Brooks... I don\'t think brooks has the intelligence to ever get there... Let\'s just remember...the guy was an Anthropology major at one of the more respected academic schools in the ACC, Thomas Jefferson\'s University of Virginia.....not a PE major from USL. And no, that\'s not some kind of slap at Jake Delhomme--I have no idea what he majored in. You can\'t be a half-wit and fully grasp all you need to run an NFL offense, true...but nowadays it\'s almost impossible to be a half-wit and stay eligible at a major Division I school. There\'s just too many eyes watching to make sure you play by the rules.
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07-08-2004, 09:14 AM	#18
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	In regard to PsychoÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â„Â¢s view on Aaron Brooks... but nowadays it\'s almost impossible to be a half-wit and stay eligible at a major Division I school. There\'s just too many eyes watching to make sure you play by the rules. Now that\'s just flat naieve. Seriously. Take it from a former collegiate athlete - those playing the major sports (football and basketball mainly) have basically no requirements. I went to a PRIVATE university and the basketball team was made up almost entirely of guys that would have had a hard time passing basic math. Anyway, according to the Wonderlic Brooks is below the AVERAGE level of intelligence for ALL NFL players. You think it takes more intelligence to be a QB or a DT? Guys, the fact that he isn\'t bright won\'t stop him from being a good QB - but you really need to stop arguing that he is intelliegent, b/c it just isn\'t true. Tests have shown it, scouts have said it, and I\'ve seen it in his interviews and even in his play at times.
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07-08-2004, 09:47 AM	#19
GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616	In regard to PsychoÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â„Â¢s view on Aaron Brooks... Now that\'s just flat naieve. Anyway, according to the Wonderlic Brooks is below the AVERAGE level of intelligence for ALL NFL players. Guys, the fact that he isn\'t bright won\'t stop him from being a good QB - but you really need to stop arguing that he is intelliegent, b/c it just isn\'t true. Tests have shown it, scouts have said it, and I\'ve seen it in his interviews and even in his play at times. You want to talk about being naieve? I\'ve met people that sounded and looked like a bumbling idiot but later found out they were FAR from it. But, you want to tell me you can tell how intelligent Brooks is from his interviews? And that wonderlic test that you put all your faith in don\'t mean too much either. I seem to recall Einstein failed a simple entrance exam to an engineering school. As a matter of fact I believe Einstein did poorly in school growing up. I wonder what Einstein would score on the wonderlic exam? And as far as Brooks play on the field. I\'ve seen all kinds of athletes make some of the most bone headed plays in the world. Did you ever see Chris Webber call the timeout in the national championship game? There is no way you can know how intelligent Brooks is or isn\'t!!
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07-08-2004, 11:56 AM	#20
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	In regard to PsychoÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â„Â¢s view on Aaron Brooks... And that wonderlic test that you put all your faith in don\'t mean too much either. I seem to recall Einstein failed a simple entrance exam to an engineering school. As a matter of fact I believe Einstein did poorly in school growing up. I wonder what Einstein would score on the wonderlic exam? Oh my LORD. Now we\'re comparing Aaron Brooks to Einstein? Give me a freaking break Billy. That\'s way over the top even for you. Now, let\'s look at this from another light. To support my belief that Aaron Brooks is probably not very intelligent I submit a standardized test on which he scored below average for all NFL entrants, scouting reports saying that he was not intelligent, and my own review of his statements and actions. In support of your belief that Aaron Brooks is an intelligent person you enter? Anything? At all? No. None, except maybe evidence that is completely circumstantial at best showing that one of the greatest thinkers of all time didn\'t do well in school early on. That\'s not a defense Billy. Please give me some evidence that is DIRECTLY REPRESENTATIVE OF AARON BROOKS, not Terry Bradshaw, Albert Einstein, or any one else. Aaron Brooks. If you can\'t do that I will Move for Summary Judgment and I\'m guessing that Judge Gator will rule in my favor.
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	\"Excuses, excuses, excuses. ThatÃ¢Â€Â™s all anyone ever makes for the New Orleans SaintsÃ¢Â€Â™ organization.\" - Eric Narcisse \"Being a Saints fan is almost like being addicted to crack,\" he said.[i]\"You know you should stop, but you just can\'t.\"