Who is the Saints placekicker: John Kasay or Garrett Hartley?

QBREES9 · 08-24-2012, 11:22 PM

Super Bowl Winning Kicker.

TheOak · 08-25-2012, 07:12 AM

Originally Posted by QBREES9

Super Bowl Winning Kicker.

Who is that?

SASaintsfan · 08-25-2012, 07:32 AM

Hartley with Kasay on standby

The Dude · 08-24-2012, 11:35 PM

Hartley. Karney stays on as a coach and mentor. I think we squeezed enough blood out of the turnip last year with Karney. I love him, and wish we would have had him long ago, but his days are done. Only way he comes back is if Hartley gets his hands on some more adderol.

CheramieIII · 08-25-2012, 08:05 AM

Look Hartley helped us get to the promised land with a very clutch kick. He is the future for the Saints if not get another young kicker but Kasay is only a stop gap.

TheOak · 08-25-2012, 04:50 PM

1 clutch... 3 chokes...

For those who haven't gone back and read my reply thread.... There is a reason Hartley will never be as good as he was in 2008. A medical reason.

Danno · 08-27-2012, 08:09 AM

Originally Posted by x626xBlack

There is a reason Hartley will never be as good as he was in 2008. A medical reason.

What are you referring to? What condition?

TheOak · 08-27-2012, 08:23 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

What are you referring to? What condition?

I did some digging:
Hartley suffers from ADHD, giving him problems focusing and controlling his actions. He was suspended in 2009 for taking Adderall (he had a prescription).
My hunch is that in 2010 he didn't take it because it is a banned substance and his accuracy went to crap.

My version of the Garrett Hartley Story

2008 100% accuracy (Taking his Adderall)
2009 81.8% accuracy (off the adderall) he burned a test in August before the season
2010 80.0 percent accuracy (no adderall)

This is not something he can just "shake off", or "get over".

http://blackandgold.com/saints/47286...tml#post424981

Halo · 08-27-2012, 12:00 PM

Originally Posted by x626xBlack

He was suspended in 2009 for taking Adderall (he had a prescription)....
My version of the Garrett Hartley Story

2008 100% accuracy (Taking his Adderall)

2009 81.8% accuracy (off the adderall) he burned a test in August before the season

2010 80.0 percent accuracy (no adderall)

Is it illegal for Hartley to take adderall with a prescription? I thought he was found taking Adderall without a prescription.

I know amphetamines are no-no's in sports, but if the person has a real diagnosed condition, why is that not treatable?

TheOak · 08-27-2012, 12:14 PM

Originally Posted by Halo

Is it illegal for Hartley to take adderall with a prescription? I thought he was found taking Adderall without a prescription.

I know amphetamines are no-no's in sports, but if the person has a real diagnosed condition, why is that not treatable?

Well I suppose it may be debatable... Insulin for Cutler is a matter of life and death not focus. Insulin is also not a banned substance, nor is it performance inhancing.

"Many athletic organizations have restricted the usage of Adderall by athletes. The NCAA has banned the use of Adderall for its collegiate athletes without a prescription and adequate records of evaluation and diagnosis of ADHD.[45] Nevada State Athletic Commission has also banned athletes in the state from using Adderall. Tim Credeur was removed from a UFC fight on the finale of The Ultimate Fighter 7 because of a positive drug test due to his use of it. In the National Football League, New Orleans Saints kicker Garrett Hartley served a four-game suspension when the 2009 NFL regular season began because he tested positive for the banned stimulant. The Arizona Cardinals tight end Ben Patrick received a four-game suspension as a result of using Adderall.[46]"

Adderall - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"Hartley said Sunday he obtained the Adderall prescription pills from a former college friend and used them to stay awake while driving at night from Dallas to New Orleans for an offseason workout."
New Orleans Saints signs kicker John Carney after Garrett Hartley gets four-game drug ban - ESPN

All of that being said... If Hartley does not have a prescription then he has not been diagnosed by a physician... After all that is said and done.. When he is off of it, his consistency sucks....

So today we have a Hartley off Adderal and a large reduction in consistency since he was on it. I gave Hartley the benefit of the doubt that he had a LEGIT prescription.

Holy Crap Bad Man.... hartley is messy LOL.. I found this digging for ADHD info
Garrett Hartley's Girlfriend

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08-24-2012, 11:22 PM	#1
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08-25-2012, 07:12 AM	#2
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,047	Re: Who is the Saints placekicker: John Kasay or Garrett Hartley? Originally Posted by QBREES9 Super Bowl Winning Kicker. Who is that?

08-25-2012, 07:32 AM	#3
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08-25-2012, 08:05 AM	#5
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08-25-2012, 04:50 PM	#6
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,047	Re: Who is the Saints placekicker: John Kasay or Garrett Hartley? 1 clutch... 3 chokes... For those who haven't gone back and read my reply thread.... There is a reason Hartley will never be as good as he was in 2008. A medical reason.

08-27-2012, 08:09 AM	#7
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,757	Re: Who is the Saints placekicker: John Kasay or Garrett Hartley? Originally Posted by x626xBlack There is a reason Hartley will never be as good as he was in 2008. A medical reason. What are you referring to? What condition?

08-27-2012, 08:23 AM	#8
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,047	Re: Who is the Saints placekicker: John Kasay or Garrett Hartley? Originally Posted by Danno What are you referring to? What condition? I did some digging: Hartley suffers from ADHD, giving him problems focusing and controlling his actions. He was suspended in 2009 for taking Adderall (he had a prescription). My hunch is that in 2010 he didn't take it because it is a banned substance and his accuracy went to crap. My version of the Garrett Hartley Story 2008 100% accuracy (Taking his Adderall) 2009 81.8% accuracy (off the adderall) he burned a test in August before the season 2010 80.0 percent accuracy (no adderall) This is not something he can just "shake off", or "get over". http://blackandgold.com/saints/47286...tml#post424981
	It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Henry David Thoreau

08-27-2012, 12:00 PM	#9
Halo Site Donor MONTHLY Join Date: May 2002 Location: New Orleans, LA Posts: 20,894 Blog Entries: 45	Re: Who is the Saints placekicker: John Kasay or Garrett Hartley? Originally Posted by x626xBlack He was suspended in 2009 for taking Adderall (he had a prescription).... My version of the Garrett Hartley Story 2008 100% accuracy (Taking his Adderall) 2009 81.8% accuracy (off the adderall) he burned a test in August before the season 2010 80.0 percent accuracy (no adderall) Is it illegal for Hartley to take adderall with a prescription? I thought he was found taking Adderall without a prescription. I know amphetamines are no-no's in sports, but if the person has a real diagnosed condition, why is that not treatable?

08-27-2012, 12:14 PM	#10
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,047	Re: Who is the Saints placekicker: John Kasay or Garrett Hartley? Originally Posted by Halo Is it illegal for Hartley to take adderall with a prescription? I thought he was found taking Adderall without a prescription. I know amphetamines are no-no's in sports, but if the person has a real diagnosed condition, why is that not treatable? Well I suppose it may be debatable... Insulin for Cutler is a matter of life and death not focus. Insulin is also not a banned substance, nor is it performance inhancing. "Many athletic organizations have restricted the usage of Adderall by athletes. The NCAA has banned the use of Adderall for its collegiate athletes without a prescription and adequate records of evaluation and diagnosis of ADHD.[45] Nevada State Athletic Commission has also banned athletes in the state from using Adderall. Tim Credeur was removed from a UFC fight on the finale of The Ultimate Fighter 7 because of a positive drug test due to his use of it. In the National Football League, New Orleans Saints kicker Garrett Hartley served a four-game suspension when the 2009 NFL regular season began because he tested positive for the banned stimulant. The Arizona Cardinals tight end Ben Patrick received a four-game suspension as a result of using Adderall.[46]" Adderall - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia "Hartley said Sunday he obtained the Adderall prescription pills from a former college friend and used them to stay awake while driving at night from Dallas to New Orleans for an offseason workout." New Orleans Saints signs kicker John Carney after Garrett Hartley gets four-game drug ban - ESPN All of that being said... If Hartley does not have a prescription then he has not been diagnosed by a physician... After all that is said and done.. When he is off of it, his consistency sucks.... So today we have a Hartley off Adderal and a large reduction in consistency since he was on it. I gave Hartley the benefit of the doubt that he had a LEGIT prescription. Holy Crap Bad Man.... hartley is messy LOL.. I found this digging for ADHD info Garrett Hartley's Girlfriend
	It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Henry David Thoreau

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