Whose play dropped off at season's end?

saintz08 · 07-20-2004, 10:03 PM

So basically only 1 QB threw for more yards than Brooks did against the falcons. Ramsey by 4 yards.
Kinda looks to me the make-Brooks-beat-ya-plan failed miserably.
Hmmm...
Yup, I guess you have a point 08. Don\'t know what it is but i\'m sure you have one.

Well let\'s look at that ....

Game 1

New Orleans 45
Atlanta 17

NO: A. Brooks (23-30, 352)

Game 2

Atlanta 20
New Orleans 23

NO: A. Brooks (21-37, 228)

\"Our focus was on stopping Deuce,\" said Atlanta linebacker Keith Brooking. \"He ran all over us in the last game. The offence is predicated on him, so we tried to stop him and make Brooks beat us. We did a pretty good job of hitting him and contained him pretty well until the overtime runs.\"

With the focus on Deuce , Brooks looks more like :

Ferrotte - 239 yds- back to the bench ........

[Edited on 21/7/2004 by saintz08]

Cassady37 · 07-21-2004, 11:36 AM

McCarthy\'s game plan had as much to do with our late season showing as much as anything. Opposing defenses don\'t have to worry about as many areas of concern with the Saints and it\'s not because of any one player, it\'s the system that fails us.

ScottyRo · 07-21-2004, 12:04 PM

McCarthy\'s system was bad all year, imo, and did not contribute to any swwon other than the 2003 swoon.

\"Our focus was on stopping Deuce,\" said Atlanta linebacker Keith Brooking. \"He ran all over us in the last game. The offence is predicated on him, so we tried to stop him and make Brooks beat us. We did a pretty good job of hitting him and contained him pretty well until the overtime runs.\"

Who\'s to say that they didn\'t key on Deuce in the first game? Keith Brooking didn\'t. All he said was they were trying to key on Deuce during the second game and had done ok until overtime.

I, like most or all of you, watched both games. I can tell you this...Brooks was on fire during the first game and it had little to do with Deuce. We should all be well enough aware that Brooks is a streaky player. When he\'s hot, he\'s one of the best. When he\'s not so hot, he can be a bum regardless of Deuce\'s success in the game.

The question I have for most Delhomme fans is...how much credit should he be given for plays where he just throws the ball up for grabs and is lucky enough to have his receiver come down with it? I truly believe he got away with junk like that last year more than any QB in NFL history. It seemed like half his TD highlights were desperation passes.

saintfan · 07-21-2004, 05:59 PM

It seemed like half his TD highlights were desperation passes.

...tossed up in the air down the middle of the field...you\'re right on. So you acknowledge it! Up \'til now I think me an Danno are the only other two people that noticed it...more likely tho that we\'re the only ones (on this board anyway) willing to say it.

CheramieIII · 07-21-2004, 09:17 PM

It was the entire team. If everyone starts treating them as a team maybe they will play more like one when they need to. No one gets off on this one, everyone needs to step up more and play up to the money and fan support they receive.

You are only as fast as your slowest man. So maybe Haz is right trying to keep the superstars to a minimum, keeping the roster as consistent as possible and actually make the Saint\'s a Professional Football TEAM. There not many of those around.

saintz08 · 07-22-2004, 02:02 AM

I, like most or all of you, watched both games. I can tell you this...Brooks was on fire during the first game and it had little to do with Deuce. We should all be well enough aware that Brooks is a streaky player. When he\'s hot, he\'s one of the best. When he\'s not so hot, he can be a bum regardless of Deuce\'s success in the game.

For the fun of it , a player like Duece can make a safety bite on play action all day long .Take an average defense , add a heavy dose of Duece paranoia and those play action fakes can open lanes wide enough to drive a Mack truck through .Put a linebacker mirror on Duece and make those other player work for their glory not off of another player glory ......

themightyduck · 07-22-2004, 10:19 PM

Is anyone remembering that the Falcons\' D was the WORST in the league?! They were among the worst in yards per game (381), total passing yards (3800), points per game (26.4), rushing yards per game (144).

OF COURSE Brooks would succeed against that D! Anyone could beat them!

Bragging about Brooks puttting up monster numbers against the Falcons would be like me bragging about beating a one-legged cripple in a 100 meter dash!

Puddinhead · 07-23-2004, 01:27 PM

McCarthy\'s game plan had as much to do with our late season showing as much as anything. Opposing defenses don\'t have to worry about as many areas of concern with the Saints and it\'s not because of any one player, it\'s the system that fails us.

Strangely enough, Hokie Gajan was just saying this week that he can\'t understand how any offensive player wouldn\'t love to play in McCarthy\'s system because it\'s just about one of the best he\'s ever seen at spreading the ball around and putting it in the hands of the back, WRs, and TEs in places where they can best perform. Of course, what\'s an ex-player and scout\'s opinion worth compared to a fan\'s.......

saintfan · 07-23-2004, 01:34 PM

Put a linebacker mirror on Duece and make those other player work for their glory not off of another player glory ......

Yeah...in much the same way Delhomme rode Stephen Davis to the Superbowl eh...only Davis prolly scored a few TD\'s in the last 4 games.

[Edited on 23/7/2004 by saintfan]

Danno · 07-23-2004, 01:40 PM

Is anyone remembering that the Falcons\' D was the WORST in the league?! They were among the worst in yards per game (381), total passing yards (3800), points per game (26.4), rushing yards per game (144).

OF COURSE Brooks would succeed against that D! Anyone could beat them!

Bragging about Brooks puttting up monster numbers against the Falcons would be like me bragging about beating a one-legged cripple in a 100 meter dash!

You just haven\'t been around long enough to see whats really going on. There are a few posters here that would still hate Brooks even if he won a superbowl, cured cancer, and invented an inexpensive method of cloning and mass producing Jennifer Lopez without vocal cords.

Nobody is saying Brooks is awesome because he ripped Atlanta, but he doesn\'t suck just because he ripped Atlanta.

Its frustrating that this was a another really good topic hi-jacked into the 47th Zillion Brooks debate. Probably the one player who\'s play didn\'t drop off last year was Brooks, yet we\'re debating him again.

07-20-2004, 10:03 PM	#11
saintz08 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,020	Whose play dropped off at season's end? So basically only 1 QB threw for more yards than Brooks did against the falcons. Ramsey by 4 yards. Kinda looks to me the make-Brooks-beat-ya-plan failed miserably. Hmmm... Yup, I guess you have a point 08. Don\'t know what it is but i\'m sure you have one. Well let\'s look at that .... Game 1 New Orleans 45 Atlanta 17 NO: A. Brooks (23-30, 352) Game 2 Atlanta 20 New Orleans 23 NO: A. Brooks (21-37, 228) \"Our focus was on stopping Deuce,\" said Atlanta linebacker Keith Brooking. \"He ran all over us in the last game. The offence is predicated on him, so we tried to stop him and make Brooks beat us. We did a pretty good job of hitting him and contained him pretty well until the overtime runs.\" With the focus on Deuce , Brooks looks more like : Ferrotte - 239 yds- back to the bench ........ [Edited on 21/7/2004 by saintz08]
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07-21-2004, 11:36 AM	#12
Cassady37 100th Post Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Kilgore, Texas Posts: 337	Whose play dropped off at season's end? McCarthy\'s game plan had as much to do with our late season showing as much as anything. Opposing defenses don\'t have to worry about as many areas of concern with the Saints and it\'s not because of any one player, it\'s the system that fails us.

07-21-2004, 12:04 PM	#13
ScottyRo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Williamsburg, VA (ugh, the food here) Posts: 1,704	Whose play dropped off at season's end? McCarthy\'s system was bad all year, imo, and did not contribute to any swwon other than the 2003 swoon. \"Our focus was on stopping Deuce,\" said Atlanta linebacker Keith Brooking. \"He ran all over us in the last game. The offence is predicated on him, so we tried to stop him and make Brooks beat us. We did a pretty good job of hitting him and contained him pretty well until the overtime runs.\" Who\'s to say that they didn\'t key on Deuce in the first game? Keith Brooking didn\'t. All he said was they were trying to key on Deuce during the second game and had done ok until overtime. I, like most or all of you, watched both games. I can tell you this...Brooks was on fire during the first game and it had little to do with Deuce. We should all be well enough aware that Brooks is a streaky player. When he\'s hot, he\'s one of the best. When he\'s not so hot, he can be a bum regardless of Deuce\'s success in the game. The question I have for most Delhomme fans is...how much credit should he be given for plays where he just throws the ball up for grabs and is lucky enough to have his receiver come down with it? I truly believe he got away with junk like that last year more than any QB in NFL history. It seemed like half his TD highlights were desperation passes.

07-21-2004, 05:59 PM	#14
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Whose play dropped off at season's end? It seemed like half his TD highlights were desperation passes. ...tossed up in the air down the middle of the field...you\'re right on. So you acknowledge it! Up \'til now I think me an Danno are the only other two people that noticed it...more likely tho that we\'re the only ones (on this board anyway) willing to say it.

07-21-2004, 09:17 PM	#15
CheramieIII Fan Since 1967 Join Date: May 2004 Location: Nomad Posts: 7,487 Blog Entries: 3	Whose play dropped off at season's end? It was the entire team. If everyone starts treating them as a team maybe they will play more like one when they need to. No one gets off on this one, everyone needs to step up more and play up to the money and fan support they receive. You are only as fast as your slowest man. So maybe Haz is right trying to keep the superstars to a minimum, keeping the roster as consistent as possible and actually make the Saint\'s a Professional Football TEAM. There not many of those around.

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07-22-2004, 02:02 AM	#16
saintz08 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,020	Whose play dropped off at season's end? I, like most or all of you, watched both games. I can tell you this...Brooks was on fire during the first game and it had little to do with Deuce. We should all be well enough aware that Brooks is a streaky player. When he\'s hot, he\'s one of the best. When he\'s not so hot, he can be a bum regardless of Deuce\'s success in the game. For the fun of it , a player like Duece can make a safety bite on play action all day long .Take an average defense , add a heavy dose of Duece paranoia and those play action fakes can open lanes wide enough to drive a Mack truck through .Put a linebacker mirror on Duece and make those other player work for their glory not off of another player glory ......
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07-22-2004, 10:19 PM	#17
themightyduck 100th Post Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: New Orleans, Louisiana Posts: 219	Whose play dropped off at season's end? Is anyone remembering that the Falcons\' D was the WORST in the league?! They were among the worst in yards per game (381), total passing yards (3800), points per game (26.4), rushing yards per game (144). OF COURSE Brooks would succeed against that D! Anyone could beat them! Bragging about Brooks puttting up monster numbers against the Falcons would be like me bragging about beating a one-legged cripple in a 100 meter dash!

07-23-2004, 01:27 PM	#18
Puddinhead 100th Post Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 102	Whose play dropped off at season's end? McCarthy\'s game plan had as much to do with our late season showing as much as anything. Opposing defenses don\'t have to worry about as many areas of concern with the Saints and it\'s not because of any one player, it\'s the system that fails us. Strangely enough, Hokie Gajan was just saying this week that he can\'t understand how any offensive player wouldn\'t love to play in McCarthy\'s system because it\'s just about one of the best he\'s ever seen at spreading the ball around and putting it in the hands of the back, WRs, and TEs in places where they can best perform. Of course, what\'s an ex-player and scout\'s opinion worth compared to a fan\'s.......
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07-23-2004, 01:34 PM	#19
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Whose play dropped off at season's end? Put a linebacker mirror on Duece and make those other player work for their glory not off of another player glory ...... Yeah...in much the same way Delhomme rode Stephen Davis to the Superbowl eh...only Davis prolly scored a few TD\'s in the last 4 games. [Edited on 23/7/2004 by saintfan]

07-23-2004, 01:40 PM	#20
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	Whose play dropped off at season's end? Is anyone remembering that the Falcons\' D was the WORST in the league?! They were among the worst in yards per game (381), total passing yards (3800), points per game (26.4), rushing yards per game (144). OF COURSE Brooks would succeed against that D! Anyone could beat them! Bragging about Brooks puttting up monster numbers against the Falcons would be like me bragging about beating a one-legged cripple in a 100 meter dash! You just haven\'t been around long enough to see whats really going on. There are a few posters here that would still hate Brooks even if he won a superbowl, cured cancer, and invented an inexpensive method of cloning and mass producing Jennifer Lopez without vocal cords. Nobody is saying Brooks is awesome because he ripped Atlanta, but he doesn\'t suck just because he ripped Atlanta. Its frustrating that this was a another really good topic hi-jacked into the 47th Zillion Brooks debate. Probably the one player who\'s play didn\'t drop off last year was Brooks, yet we\'re debating him again.