Week 1: Redskins-Saints matchup

TheOak · 09-05-2012, 09:45 AM

Originally Posted by TheDeuce

Not quite sure what that means. The guy played for 3 or 4 years at Baylor and was never really more of a runner than any other pro-style passer. He is a sit in the pocket, sling the rock around kind of guy.

Just because he's a track star and can run, doesn't mean he will. He's too thin to run around taking shots, which is smart (see how much time Vick spends hurt). He's actually almost the antithesis of Vick. He's more like Aaron Rodgers in my opinion... he thinks pass first; in case he needs to run, he can do damage, but this is not his priority.

The o-lines ability to keep a pocket from collapsing is the focus of my comment.

My point is that Rogers, Vick, etc.... Stay in the pocket until there is no pocket. They they bolt. The Redskins having the 5th to worst o-line in the league means his pocket will collapse very quickly forcing him to either run or throw under duress.... This is in contrast to say Tbow where run plays are designed for him specifically.

Hence.. the offensive line can define a quarter backs play style as much as the receivers.

And hurdle Shanle.

DaveyFoSho · 09-05-2012, 09:46 AM

Originally Posted by TheDeuce

Not quite sure what that means. The guy played for 3 or 4 years at Baylor and was never really more of a runner than any other pro-style passer. He is a sit in the pocket, sling the rock around kind of guy.

Just because he's a track star and can run, doesn't mean he will. He's too thin to run around taking shots, which is smart (see how much time Vick spends hurt). He's actually almost the antithesis of Vick. He's more like Aaron Rodgers in my opinion... he thinks pass first; in case he needs to run, he can do damage, but this is not his priority.

That is what makes him dangerous. He is a pocket passer with elite accuracy, great arm strength, and a very quick release.... But he just happens to run a 4.3 and can turn the jets on and run around just about anybody if he needs to.

papz · 09-05-2012, 09:54 AM

Originally Posted by DaveyFoSho

That is what makes him dangerous. He is a pocket passer with elite accuracy, great arm strength, and a very quick release.... But he just happens to run a 4.3 and can turn the jets on and run around just about anybody if he needs to.

He's going to be a good player... but you're setting yourself up for disappointment. What you described sounds better than Rodgers/Brees/Brady. He hasn't taken a single snap yet.

Beastmode · 09-04-2012, 11:15 AM

One thing I see helping us out is the slide. I doubt there will even be an opportunity to tackle him if he takes off. He'll get his 5-10 yards and get down or out of bounds.

Beastmode · 09-04-2012, 12:59 PM

I fully expect to see him running around and when he's not doing that he will be throwing picks.

homerj07 · 09-04-2012, 05:47 PM

Historically we play like crap against Washington - lets break that mold this weekend!!

TheOak · 09-05-2012, 07:42 AM

We have not played them since 09' in week 13 and beat them by a fieldgoal.

To be fair we had Mike Bell and Reggie Bush in the back field.
Defense recorded ZERO sacks.

spkb25 · 09-06-2012, 09:11 AM

Originally Posted by x626xBlack

We have not played them since 09' in week 13 and beat them by a fieldgoal.

To be fair we had Mike Bell and Reggie Bush in the back field.
Defense recorded ZERO sacks.

Our secondary was decimated in that game. I think 3 of 4 starters were missing. I was there and we should have lost, but suisham missed the FG. The great thing was as they're readying for the kick all the fans around me are going- who dat who dat who dat going home sad today. You could have heard a pin drop when he missed. It was a gimme kick too. Drew drives us for the tie, OT we win it. It ws great.

DaveyFoSho · 09-05-2012, 07:49 AM

Read somewhere Skins have the advantage 8-3 in this match up. Won 3 straight at the Superdome. But obviously different situations last few times we have played.

TheOak · 09-05-2012, 08:09 AM

The Historic
Washington Redskins Vs. New Orleans Saints Results - The Football Database

We beat them in 1967 30-14... Has as much relevance as 2009 does on Sunday. They are a different team and we are a different Defense.

09-05-2012, 09:45 AM	#1
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,047	Re: Week 1: Redskins-Saints matchup Originally Posted by TheDeuce Not quite sure what that means. The guy played for 3 or 4 years at Baylor and was never really more of a runner than any other pro-style passer. He is a sit in the pocket, sling the rock around kind of guy. Just because he's a track star and can run, doesn't mean he will. He's too thin to run around taking shots, which is smart (see how much time Vick spends hurt). He's actually almost the antithesis of Vick. He's more like Aaron Rodgers in my opinion... he thinks pass first; in case he needs to run, he can do damage, but this is not his priority. The o-lines ability to keep a pocket from collapsing is the focus of my comment. My point is that Rogers, Vick, etc.... Stay in the pocket until there is no pocket. They they bolt. The Redskins having the 5th to worst o-line in the league means his pocket will collapse very quickly forcing him to either run or throw under duress.... This is in contrast to say Tbow where run plays are designed for him specifically. Hence.. the offensive line can define a quarter backs play style as much as the receivers. And hurdle Shanle.
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09-05-2012, 09:46 AM	#2
DaveyFoSho Registered Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Springfield, VA Posts: 64	Re: Week 1: Redskins-Saints matchup Originally Posted by TheDeuce Not quite sure what that means. The guy played for 3 or 4 years at Baylor and was never really more of a runner than any other pro-style passer. He is a sit in the pocket, sling the rock around kind of guy. Just because he's a track star and can run, doesn't mean he will. He's too thin to run around taking shots, which is smart (see how much time Vick spends hurt). He's actually almost the antithesis of Vick. He's more like Aaron Rodgers in my opinion... he thinks pass first; in case he needs to run, he can do damage, but this is not his priority. That is what makes him dangerous. He is a pocket passer with elite accuracy, great arm strength, and a very quick release.... But he just happens to run a 4.3 and can turn the jets on and run around just about anybody if he needs to.

09-05-2012, 09:54 AM	#3
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,793	Re: Week 1: Redskins-Saints matchup Originally Posted by DaveyFoSho That is what makes him dangerous. He is a pocket passer with elite accuracy, great arm strength, and a very quick release.... But he just happens to run a 4.3 and can turn the jets on and run around just about anybody if he needs to. He's going to be a good player... but you're setting yourself up for disappointment. What you described sounds better than Rodgers/Brees/Brady. He hasn't taken a single snap yet.

09-04-2012, 11:15 AM	#4
Beastmode 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 9,126	Re: Week 1: Redskins-Saints matchup One thing I see helping us out is the slide. I doubt there will even be an opportunity to tackle him if he takes off. He'll get his 5-10 yards and get down or out of bounds.
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09-04-2012, 12:59 PM	#5
Beastmode 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 9,126	Re: Week 1: Redskins-Saints matchup I fully expect to see him running around and when he's not doing that he will be throwing picks.
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09-04-2012, 05:47 PM	#6
homerj07 In Doh We Trust Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Central Florida Posts: 7,027 Blog Entries: 16	Re: Week 1: Redskins-Saints matchup Historically we play like crap against Washington - lets break that mold this weekend!! spkb25 likes this.

09-05-2012, 07:42 AM	#7
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,047	Re: Week 1: Redskins-Saints matchup We have not played them since 09' in week 13 and beat them by a fieldgoal. To be fair we had Mike Bell and Reggie Bush in the back field. Defense recorded ZERO sacks.

09-06-2012, 09:11 AM	#8
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,144	Re: Week 1: Redskins-Saints matchup Originally Posted by x626xBlack We have not played them since 09' in week 13 and beat them by a fieldgoal. To be fair we had Mike Bell and Reggie Bush in the back field. Defense recorded ZERO sacks. Our secondary was decimated in that game. I think 3 of 4 starters were missing. I was there and we should have lost, but suisham missed the FG. The great thing was as they're readying for the kick all the fans around me are going- who dat who dat who dat going home sad today. You could have heard a pin drop when he missed. It was a gimme kick too. Drew drives us for the tie, OT we win it. It ws great.

09-05-2012, 07:49 AM	#9
DaveyFoSho Registered Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Springfield, VA Posts: 64	Re: Week 1: Redskins-Saints matchup Read somewhere Skins have the advantage 8-3 in this match up. Won 3 straight at the Superdome. But obviously different situations last few times we have played.

09-05-2012, 08:09 AM	#10
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,047	Re: Week 1: Redskins-Saints matchup The Historic Washington Redskins Vs. New Orleans Saints Results - The Football Database We beat them in 1967 30-14... Has as much relevance as 2009 does on Sunday. They are a different team and we are a different Defense.

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