Week 1: Redskins-Saints matchup

09-04-2012, 06:47 PM

Historically we play like crap against Washington - lets break that mold this weekend!!

TheOak · 09-05-2012, 08:42 AM

We have not played them since 09' in week 13 and beat them by a fieldgoal.

To be fair we had Mike Bell and Reggie Bush in the back field.
Defense recorded ZERO sacks.

DaveyFoSho · 09-05-2012, 08:49 AM

Read somewhere Skins have the advantage 8-3 in this match up. Won 3 straight at the Superdome. But obviously different situations last few times we have played.

TheOak · 09-05-2012, 09:09 AM

The Historic
Washington Redskins Vs. New Orleans Saints Results - The Football Database

We beat them in 1967 30-14... Has as much relevance as 2009 does on Sunday. They are a different team and we are a different Defense.

TheDeuce · 09-05-2012, 10:02 AM

Originally Posted by x626xBlack

If I may temper that.... He is not a running QB that we know of... He has yet to play a down in a NFL regular season game and that brother can change the entire dynamic.

Its not the type of QB that you are, its the type of QB that your offensive line makes you become.

His O-Line is ranked 26th in the league: Run Forrest run!
2012 Offensive Line Rankings - Matchups - Rotoworld.com

Not quite sure what that means. The guy played for 3 or 4 years at Baylor and was never really more of a runner than any other pro-style passer. He is a sit in the pocket, sling the rock around kind of guy.

Just because he's a track star and can run, doesn't mean he will. He's too thin to run around taking shots, which is smart (see how much time Vick spends hurt). He's actually almost the antithesis of Vick. He's more like Aaron Rodgers in my opinion... he thinks pass first; in case he needs to run, he can do damage, but this is not his priority.

TheOak · 09-05-2012, 10:45 AM

Originally Posted by TheDeuce

Not quite sure what that means. The guy played for 3 or 4 years at Baylor and was never really more of a runner than any other pro-style passer. He is a sit in the pocket, sling the rock around kind of guy.

Just because he's a track star and can run, doesn't mean he will. He's too thin to run around taking shots, which is smart (see how much time Vick spends hurt). He's actually almost the antithesis of Vick. He's more like Aaron Rodgers in my opinion... he thinks pass first; in case he needs to run, he can do damage, but this is not his priority.

The o-lines ability to keep a pocket from collapsing is the focus of my comment.

My point is that Rogers, Vick, etc.... Stay in the pocket until there is no pocket. They they bolt. The Redskins having the 5th to worst o-line in the league means his pocket will collapse very quickly forcing him to either run or throw under duress.... This is in contrast to say Tbow where run plays are designed for him specifically.

Hence.. the offensive line can define a quarter backs play style as much as the receivers.

And hurdle Shanle.

DaveyFoSho · 09-05-2012, 10:46 AM

Originally Posted by TheDeuce

Not quite sure what that means. The guy played for 3 or 4 years at Baylor and was never really more of a runner than any other pro-style passer. He is a sit in the pocket, sling the rock around kind of guy.

Just because he's a track star and can run, doesn't mean he will. He's too thin to run around taking shots, which is smart (see how much time Vick spends hurt). He's actually almost the antithesis of Vick. He's more like Aaron Rodgers in my opinion... he thinks pass first; in case he needs to run, he can do damage, but this is not his priority.

That is what makes him dangerous. He is a pocket passer with elite accuracy, great arm strength, and a very quick release.... But he just happens to run a 4.3 and can turn the jets on and run around just about anybody if he needs to.

papz · 09-05-2012, 10:54 AM

Originally Posted by DaveyFoSho

That is what makes him dangerous. He is a pocket passer with elite accuracy, great arm strength, and a very quick release.... But he just happens to run a 4.3 and can turn the jets on and run around just about anybody if he needs to.

He's going to be a good player... but you're setting yourself up for disappointment. What you described sounds better than Rodgers/Brees/Brady. He hasn't taken a single snap yet.

DaveyFoSho · 09-05-2012, 11:01 AM

Originally Posted by papz

He's going to be a good player... but you're setting yourself up for disappointment. What you described sounds better than Rodgers/Brees/Brady. He hasn't taken a single snap yet.

I was describing what he was in college, as that what was mentioned... his time at Baylor. But that is what he was/is, who knows how those skills that he brings will translate... but his possibilities are there. Rogers/Brees/Brady are 3 of the best to EVER play the game, maybe he will get there in the future, maybe he wont. He is a rookie... I know he will throw his 10+ picks. But with all due respect... no other QB has 4.38 speed.

Halo · 09-05-2012, 11:01 AM

Originally Posted by DaveyFoSho

That is what makes him dangerous. He is a pocket passer with elite accuracy, great arm strength, and a very quick release.... But he just happens to run a 4.3 and can turn the jets on and run around just about anybody if he needs to.

I think the guy is a solid QB. Great arm strength in college. He played well in preseason. Whether he's an NFL caliber QB is yet to be seen.

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TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,027	Re: Week 1: Redskins-Saints matchup We have not played them since 09' in week 13 and beat them by a fieldgoal. To be fair we had Mike Bell and Reggie Bush in the back field. Defense recorded ZERO sacks.

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DaveyFoSho Registered Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Springfield, VA Posts: 64	Re: Week 1: Redskins-Saints matchup Read somewhere Skins have the advantage 8-3 in this match up. Won 3 straight at the Superdome. But obviously different situations last few times we have played.

09-05-2012, 09:09 AM	#34
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,027	Re: Week 1: Redskins-Saints matchup The Historic Washington Redskins Vs. New Orleans Saints Results - The Football Database We beat them in 1967 30-14... Has as much relevance as 2009 does on Sunday. They are a different team and we are a different Defense.

09-05-2012, 10:02 AM	#35
TheDeuce 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,928	Re: Week 1: Redskins-Saints matchup Originally Posted by x626xBlack If I may temper that.... He is not a running QB that we know of... He has yet to play a down in a NFL regular season game and that brother can change the entire dynamic. Its not the type of QB that you are, its the type of QB that your offensive line makes you become. His O-Line is ranked 26th in the league: Run Forrest run! 2012 Offensive Line Rankings - Matchups - Rotoworld.com Not quite sure what that means. The guy played for 3 or 4 years at Baylor and was never really more of a runner than any other pro-style passer. He is a sit in the pocket, sling the rock around kind of guy. Just because he's a track star and can run, doesn't mean he will. He's too thin to run around taking shots, which is smart (see how much time Vick spends hurt). He's actually almost the antithesis of Vick. He's more like Aaron Rodgers in my opinion... he thinks pass first; in case he needs to run, he can do damage, but this is not his priority.
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09-05-2012, 10:45 AM	#36
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,027	Re: Week 1: Redskins-Saints matchup Originally Posted by TheDeuce Not quite sure what that means. The guy played for 3 or 4 years at Baylor and was never really more of a runner than any other pro-style passer. He is a sit in the pocket, sling the rock around kind of guy. Just because he's a track star and can run, doesn't mean he will. He's too thin to run around taking shots, which is smart (see how much time Vick spends hurt). He's actually almost the antithesis of Vick. He's more like Aaron Rodgers in my opinion... he thinks pass first; in case he needs to run, he can do damage, but this is not his priority. The o-lines ability to keep a pocket from collapsing is the focus of my comment. My point is that Rogers, Vick, etc.... Stay in the pocket until there is no pocket. They they bolt. The Redskins having the 5th to worst o-line in the league means his pocket will collapse very quickly forcing him to either run or throw under duress.... This is in contrast to say Tbow where run plays are designed for him specifically. Hence.. the offensive line can define a quarter backs play style as much as the receivers. And hurdle Shanle.
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09-05-2012, 10:46 AM	#37
DaveyFoSho Registered Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Springfield, VA Posts: 64	Re: Week 1: Redskins-Saints matchup Originally Posted by TheDeuce Not quite sure what that means. The guy played for 3 or 4 years at Baylor and was never really more of a runner than any other pro-style passer. He is a sit in the pocket, sling the rock around kind of guy. Just because he's a track star and can run, doesn't mean he will. He's too thin to run around taking shots, which is smart (see how much time Vick spends hurt). He's actually almost the antithesis of Vick. He's more like Aaron Rodgers in my opinion... he thinks pass first; in case he needs to run, he can do damage, but this is not his priority. That is what makes him dangerous. He is a pocket passer with elite accuracy, great arm strength, and a very quick release.... But he just happens to run a 4.3 and can turn the jets on and run around just about anybody if he needs to.

09-05-2012, 10:54 AM	#38
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,754	Re: Week 1: Redskins-Saints matchup Originally Posted by DaveyFoSho That is what makes him dangerous. He is a pocket passer with elite accuracy, great arm strength, and a very quick release.... But he just happens to run a 4.3 and can turn the jets on and run around just about anybody if he needs to. He's going to be a good player... but you're setting yourself up for disappointment. What you described sounds better than Rodgers/Brees/Brady. He hasn't taken a single snap yet.

09-05-2012, 11:01 AM	#39
DaveyFoSho Registered Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Springfield, VA Posts: 64	Re: Week 1: Redskins-Saints matchup Originally Posted by papz He's going to be a good player... but you're setting yourself up for disappointment. What you described sounds better than Rodgers/Brees/Brady. He hasn't taken a single snap yet. I was describing what he was in college, as that what was mentioned... his time at Baylor. But that is what he was/is, who knows how those skills that he brings will translate... but his possibilities are there. Rogers/Brees/Brady are 3 of the best to EVER play the game, maybe he will get there in the future, maybe he wont. He is a rookie... I know he will throw his 10+ picks. But with all due respect... no other QB has 4.38 speed.

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Halo Site Donor MONTHLY Join Date: May 2002 Location: New Orleans, LA Posts: 20,721 Blog Entries: 45	Originally Posted by DaveyFoSho That is what makes him dangerous. He is a pocket passer with elite accuracy, great arm strength, and a very quick release.... But he just happens to run a 4.3 and can turn the jets on and run around just about anybody if he needs to. I think the guy is a solid QB. Great arm strength in college. He played well in preseason. Whether he's an NFL caliber QB is yet to be seen. Sent from my SCH-I510 using Tapatalk 2

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