SUSPENSIONS OVERTURNED

09-07-2012, 11:28 PM

Wish I was going to the game on Sunday.
Can only imagine the noise when Smith and Vilma come in the field.

We must be getting next seasons draft pick back.Even if they go after the team on a salary cap violation they have set president on the issue with the Broncos a few years back.They got find less than $1ml and a third round draft pick for their second offence.

I still think he may try and suspend the players but only for a game or two,if not he is a sneaking barsteward and will wait for the first sign of a late hit/head hit and suspension fine Saint players.

The coaches need to be asking for a meeting now and seeing if they can get the penalties reduced.
Even a 50% reduction would be great news.

Wilde18 · 09-07-2012, 11:52 PM

Guess he will be back soon, too. Guess the nfl figured that they have to let our guys go DO THEIR JOB because they did not really have evidence!

Somewhere over the rainbow!

xan · 09-08-2012, 03:31 PM

Originally Posted by saintfan

I feel like I just had sex...with Zooey! LMAO

I'll bet you still have mustache burn from it, too!

saintfan · 09-08-2012, 03:36 PM

Originally Posted by xan

I'll bet you still have mustache burn from it, too!

I'm not 100% sure what you're insinuating sir, but...

Joker · 09-08-2012, 07:04 PM

Goodhell can still suspend the players but not for the reasons he gave, now he has to come back with some other reason that he has evidence for. Now if the players can come back why aren't the coaching staff and Ton Benson fighting this unjust action by mr. Goodhell? Can anyone tell me, if he hasn't the evidence to suspend the players then why are the coaches so different?

Kosoma · 09-08-2012, 07:20 PM

ok as i now understand it, goodell has to breakdown the punishment and say how much was for the bounty (conduct detrimental) and how much was for the player pool(salary cap violations). the reason for this is he only has jurisdiction over conduct detrimental. so if he states all of it was for conduct detrimental he can re-issue the same punishments. if he says it half and half, he will be expected to reduce his punishment by half and so on.
i think they are baiting him to say its all for conduct detrimental and then they will ask for proof or something out of left field. there is no salary cap violation because it was all player money and not team money. its silly to assume that if two players on the same team made a bet , the other pays him, and thats a salary cap violation. so watch for it but i think someone is going to backdoor goodell like he has been doing these players all along.

Euphoria · 09-08-2012, 10:54 PM

I think many people got this whole lifting of the suspensions ALL WRONG.

We aren't getting back draft picks. We aren't getting Sean back and as soon as this weeks is over the players will have to serve their suspensions.

They are merely asking Roger to say if the violations are finacial then that falls into other person's responsibility not his to level punishment. Or if it is detrimental to the game fine... then THE PENALTIES will still have to be served because that falls under his jurisdiction. So it is just a delay of what was already been given.

Next week the players will be told they are suspended and that is that.

|Mitch| · 09-08-2012, 10:58 PM

Originally Posted by Euphoria

Next week the players will be told they are suspended and that is that.

Until Judge whatshername gets a hold of it again...

saintfan · 09-08-2012, 11:23 PM

Originally Posted by Euphoria

I think many people got this whole lifting of the suspensions ALL WRONG.

We aren't getting back draft picks. We aren't getting Sean back and as soon as this weeks is over the players will have to serve their suspensions.

They are merely asking Roger to say if the violations are finacial then that falls into other person's responsibility not his to level punishment. Or if it is detrimental to the game fine... then THE PENALTIES will still have to be served because that falls under his jurisdiction. So it is just a delay of what was already been given.

Next week the players will be told they are suspended and that is that.

Seems the rub however comes from the fact that to enforce these amazingly brutal fines/suspensions, Roger is going to have to show his evidence - either now or in a real court. Should he choose NOT to expose his very questionable sources, he can fine until he's blue in the face. Is that right or am I misinformed?

alexonfyre · 09-08-2012, 11:28 PM

Originally Posted by Euphoria

I think many people got this whole lifting of the suspensions ALL WRONG.

We aren't getting back draft picks. We aren't getting Sean back and as soon as this weeks is over the players will have to serve their suspensions.

They are merely asking Roger to say if the violations are finacial then that falls into other person's responsibility not his to level punishment. Or if it is detrimental to the game fine... then THE PENALTIES will still have to be served because that falls under his jurisdiction. So it is just a delay of what was already been given.

Next week the players will be told they are suspended and that is that.

He also can't use the player pool of money as evidence unless he can specifically tie those payments to injuries. This ruling forces Goodell to be COMPLETELY CLEAR on his punishments, so he can no longer confuse investigating authorities and the public by saying:
"Look at all of this proof of a pay-for-play system! We also know that intentional injuries were part of this system, and here are the punishments for these things."

09-07-2012, 11:28 PM	#181
Threaded by lee909 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,810 Blog Entries: 1 Rating: (0 votes - average) Wish I was going to the game on Sunday. Can only imagine the noise when Smith and Vilma come in the field. We must be getting next seasons draft pick back.Even if they go after the team on a salary cap violation they have set president on the issue with the Broncos a few years back.They got find less than $1ml and a third round draft pick for their second offence. I still think he may try and suspend the players but only for a game or two,if not he is a sneaking barsteward and will wait for the first sign of a late hit/head hit and suspension fine Saint players. The coaches need to be asking for a meeting now and seeing if they can get the penalties reduced. Even a 50% reduction would be great news.
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09-08-2012, 03:31 PM	#183
xan Professor Crab and Site Donor 2014 Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Princeton Posts: 3,371 Blog Entries: 34	Re: SUSPENSIONS OVERTURNED Originally Posted by saintfan I feel like I just had sex...with Zooey! LMAO I'll bet you still have mustache burn from it, too!

09-08-2012, 03:36 PM	#184
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: SUSPENSIONS OVERTURNED Originally Posted by xan I'll bet you still have mustache burn from it, too! I'm not 100% sure what you're insinuating sir, but...

09-08-2012, 07:04 PM	#185
Joker Site Donor Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Lafayette Posts: 408 Blog Entries: 1	Re: SUSPENSIONS OVERTURNED Goodhell can still suspend the players but not for the reasons he gave, now he has to come back with some other reason that he has evidence for. Now if the players can come back why aren't the coaching staff and Ton Benson fighting this unjust action by mr. Goodhell? Can anyone tell me, if he hasn't the evidence to suspend the players then why are the coaches so different?

09-08-2012, 07:20 PM	#186
Kosoma Registered Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Pontotoc MS Posts: 35	Re: SUSPENSIONS OVERTURNED ok as i now understand it, goodell has to breakdown the punishment and say how much was for the bounty (conduct detrimental) and how much was for the player pool(salary cap violations). the reason for this is he only has jurisdiction over conduct detrimental. so if he states all of it was for conduct detrimental he can re-issue the same punishments. if he says it half and half, he will be expected to reduce his punishment by half and so on. i think they are baiting him to say its all for conduct detrimental and then they will ask for proof or something out of left field. there is no salary cap violation because it was all player money and not team money. its silly to assume that if two players on the same team made a bet , the other pays him, and thats a salary cap violation. so watch for it but i think someone is going to backdoor goodell like he has been doing these players all along.

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09-07-2012, 11:52 PM	#182
Wilde18 GERMAN WHO DAT! Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Kaiserslautern, Germany Posts: 301	Guess he will be back soon, too. Guess the nfl figured that they have to let our guys go DO THEIR JOB because they did not really have evidence! Somewhere over the rainbow!

09-08-2012, 10:54 PM	#187
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: SUSPENSIONS OVERTURNED I think many people got this whole lifting of the suspensions ALL WRONG. We aren't getting back draft picks. We aren't getting Sean back and as soon as this weeks is over the players will have to serve their suspensions. They are merely asking Roger to say if the violations are finacial then that falls into other person's responsibility not his to level punishment. Or if it is detrimental to the game fine... then THE PENALTIES will still have to be served because that falls under his jurisdiction. So it is just a delay of what was already been given. Next week the players will be told they are suspended and that is that.
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09-08-2012, 10:58 PM	#188
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: SUSPENSIONS OVERTURNED Originally Posted by Euphoria Next week the players will be told they are suspended and that is that. Until Judge whatshername gets a hold of it again...

09-08-2012, 11:23 PM	#189
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: SUSPENSIONS OVERTURNED Originally Posted by Euphoria I think many people got this whole lifting of the suspensions ALL WRONG. We aren't getting back draft picks. We aren't getting Sean back and as soon as this weeks is over the players will have to serve their suspensions. They are merely asking Roger to say if the violations are finacial then that falls into other person's responsibility not his to level punishment. Or if it is detrimental to the game fine... then THE PENALTIES will still have to be served because that falls under his jurisdiction. So it is just a delay of what was already been given. Next week the players will be told they are suspended and that is that. Seems the rub however comes from the fact that to enforce these amazingly brutal fines/suspensions, Roger is going to have to show his evidence - either now or in a real court. Should he choose NOT to expose his very questionable sources, he can fine until he's blue in the face. Is that right or am I misinformed?

09-08-2012, 11:28 PM	#190
alexonfyre Site Donor Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Black Pearl University Posts: 799	Re: SUSPENSIONS OVERTURNED Originally Posted by Euphoria I think many people got this whole lifting of the suspensions ALL WRONG. We aren't getting back draft picks. We aren't getting Sean back and as soon as this weeks is over the players will have to serve their suspensions. They are merely asking Roger to say if the violations are finacial then that falls into other person's responsibility not his to level punishment. Or if it is detrimental to the game fine... then THE PENALTIES will still have to be served because that falls under his jurisdiction. So it is just a delay of what was already been given. Next week the players will be told they are suspended and that is that. He also can't use the player pool of money as evidence unless he can specifically tie those payments to injuries. This ruling forces Goodell to be COMPLETELY CLEAR on his punishments, so he can no longer confuse investigating authorities and the public by saying: "Look at all of this proof of a pay-for-play system! We also know that intentional injuries were part of this system, and here are the punishments for these things."

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