SUSPENSIONS OVERTURNED

lee909 · 09-07-2012, 10:01 PM

WOW
What a thing to wake up and read at 4am.

Great timing,it will give the players a massive boosts.

Now,gives us our coaches and draft picks back.

QBREES9 · 09-07-2012, 10:06 PM

WHoooooooooooooooooooooo !

lee909 · 09-07-2012, 10:28 PM

Wish I was going to the game on Sunday.
Can only imagine the noise when Smith and Vilma come in the field.

We must be getting next seasons draft pick back.Even if they go after the team on a salary cap violation they have set president on the issue with the Broncos a few years back.They got find less than $1ml and a third round draft pick for their second offence.

I still think he may try and suspend the players but only for a game or two,if not he is a sneaking barsteward and will wait for the first sign of a late hit/head hit and suspension fine Saint players.

The coaches need to be asking for a meeting now and seeing if they can get the penalties reduced.
Even a 50% reduction would be great news.

Wilde18 · 09-07-2012, 10:52 PM

Guess he will be back soon, too. Guess the nfl figured that they have to let our guys go DO THEIR JOB because they did not really have evidence!

Somewhere over the rainbow!

Joker · 09-08-2012, 06:04 PM

Goodhell can still suspend the players but not for the reasons he gave, now he has to come back with some other reason that he has evidence for. Now if the players can come back why aren't the coaching staff and Ton Benson fighting this unjust action by mr. Goodhell? Can anyone tell me, if he hasn't the evidence to suspend the players then why are the coaches so different?

Kosoma · 09-08-2012, 06:20 PM

ok as i now understand it, goodell has to breakdown the punishment and say how much was for the bounty (conduct detrimental) and how much was for the player pool(salary cap violations). the reason for this is he only has jurisdiction over conduct detrimental. so if he states all of it was for conduct detrimental he can re-issue the same punishments. if he says it half and half, he will be expected to reduce his punishment by half and so on.
i think they are baiting him to say its all for conduct detrimental and then they will ask for proof or something out of left field. there is no salary cap violation because it was all player money and not team money. its silly to assume that if two players on the same team made a bet , the other pays him, and thats a salary cap violation. so watch for it but i think someone is going to backdoor goodell like he has been doing these players all along.

Euphoria · 09-08-2012, 09:54 PM

I think many people got this whole lifting of the suspensions ALL WRONG.

We aren't getting back draft picks. We aren't getting Sean back and as soon as this weeks is over the players will have to serve their suspensions.

They are merely asking Roger to say if the violations are finacial then that falls into other person's responsibility not his to level punishment. Or if it is detrimental to the game fine... then THE PENALTIES will still have to be served because that falls under his jurisdiction. So it is just a delay of what was already been given.

Next week the players will be told they are suspended and that is that.

|Mitch| · 09-08-2012, 09:58 PM

Originally Posted by Euphoria

Next week the players will be told they are suspended and that is that.

Until Judge whatshername gets a hold of it again...

saintfan · 09-08-2012, 10:23 PM

Originally Posted by Euphoria

I think many people got this whole lifting of the suspensions ALL WRONG.

We aren't getting back draft picks. We aren't getting Sean back and as soon as this weeks is over the players will have to serve their suspensions.

They are merely asking Roger to say if the violations are finacial then that falls into other person's responsibility not his to level punishment. Or if it is detrimental to the game fine... then THE PENALTIES will still have to be served because that falls under his jurisdiction. So it is just a delay of what was already been given.

Next week the players will be told they are suspended and that is that.

Seems the rub however comes from the fact that to enforce these amazingly brutal fines/suspensions, Roger is going to have to show his evidence - either now or in a real court. Should he choose NOT to expose his very questionable sources, he can fine until he's blue in the face. Is that right or am I misinformed?

Euphoria · 09-09-2012, 07:13 AM

Originally Posted by saintfan

Seems the rub however comes from the fact that to enforce these amazingly brutal fines/suspensions, Roger is going to have to show his evidence - either now or in a real court. Should he choose NOT to expose his very questionable sources, he can fine until he's blue in the face. Is that right or am I misinformed?

No... that isn't what it is about at all. This is mainly who has jurisdiction on who can impose punishment on this.

It comes down to is it a Salary cap violation... which everyone agrees it is not.
Is it a Detriment to the game violation which is where Roger will lean towards because the statements were made to that fact. Once it is clear then the latter is Rogers jurisdiction and then he can impose penalties.

Judge in the matter will have nothing to say or can't do anything because it falls under Rogers jurisdiction.

09-07-2012, 10:06 PM	#2
QBREES9 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: New Haven Ct Posts: 23,989	Re: SUSPENSIONS OVERTURNED WHoooooooooooooooooooooo !

09-07-2012, 10:28 PM	#3
lee909 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,855 Blog Entries: 1	Wish I was going to the game on Sunday. Can only imagine the noise when Smith and Vilma come in the field. We must be getting next seasons draft pick back.Even if they go after the team on a salary cap violation they have set president on the issue with the Broncos a few years back.They got find less than $1ml and a third round draft pick for their second offence. I still think he may try and suspend the players but only for a game or two,if not he is a sneaking barsteward and will wait for the first sign of a late hit/head hit and suspension fine Saint players. The coaches need to be asking for a meeting now and seeing if they can get the penalties reduced. Even a 50% reduction would be great news.
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09-08-2012, 06:04 PM	#5
Joker Site Donor Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Lafayette Posts: 408 Blog Entries: 1	Re: SUSPENSIONS OVERTURNED Goodhell can still suspend the players but not for the reasons he gave, now he has to come back with some other reason that he has evidence for. Now if the players can come back why aren't the coaching staff and Ton Benson fighting this unjust action by mr. Goodhell? Can anyone tell me, if he hasn't the evidence to suspend the players then why are the coaches so different?

09-08-2012, 06:20 PM	#6
Kosoma Registered Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Pontotoc MS Posts: 35	Re: SUSPENSIONS OVERTURNED ok as i now understand it, goodell has to breakdown the punishment and say how much was for the bounty (conduct detrimental) and how much was for the player pool(salary cap violations). the reason for this is he only has jurisdiction over conduct detrimental. so if he states all of it was for conduct detrimental he can re-issue the same punishments. if he says it half and half, he will be expected to reduce his punishment by half and so on. i think they are baiting him to say its all for conduct detrimental and then they will ask for proof or something out of left field. there is no salary cap violation because it was all player money and not team money. its silly to assume that if two players on the same team made a bet , the other pays him, and thats a salary cap violation. so watch for it but i think someone is going to backdoor goodell like he has been doing these players all along.

09-08-2012, 09:54 PM	#7
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: SUSPENSIONS OVERTURNED I think many people got this whole lifting of the suspensions ALL WRONG. We aren't getting back draft picks. We aren't getting Sean back and as soon as this weeks is over the players will have to serve their suspensions. They are merely asking Roger to say if the violations are finacial then that falls into other person's responsibility not his to level punishment. Or if it is detrimental to the game fine... then THE PENALTIES will still have to be served because that falls under his jurisdiction. So it is just a delay of what was already been given. Next week the players will be told they are suspended and that is that.
	E U P H O R I A

09-07-2012, 10:01 PM	#1
lee909 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,855 Blog Entries: 1	WOW What a thing to wake up and read at 4am. Great timing,it will give the players a massive boosts. Now,gives us our coaches and draft picks back.

09-07-2012, 10:52 PM	#4
Wilde18 GERMAN WHO DAT! Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Kaiserslautern, Germany Posts: 301	Guess he will be back soon, too. Guess the nfl figured that they have to let our guys go DO THEIR JOB because they did not really have evidence! Somewhere over the rainbow!

09-08-2012, 09:58 PM	#8
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: SUSPENSIONS OVERTURNED Originally Posted by Euphoria Next week the players will be told they are suspended and that is that. Until Judge whatshername gets a hold of it again...

09-08-2012, 10:23 PM	#9
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: SUSPENSIONS OVERTURNED Originally Posted by Euphoria I think many people got this whole lifting of the suspensions ALL WRONG. We aren't getting back draft picks. We aren't getting Sean back and as soon as this weeks is over the players will have to serve their suspensions. They are merely asking Roger to say if the violations are finacial then that falls into other person's responsibility not his to level punishment. Or if it is detrimental to the game fine... then THE PENALTIES will still have to be served because that falls under his jurisdiction. So it is just a delay of what was already been given. Next week the players will be told they are suspended and that is that. Seems the rub however comes from the fact that to enforce these amazingly brutal fines/suspensions, Roger is going to have to show his evidence - either now or in a real court. Should he choose NOT to expose his very questionable sources, he can fine until he's blue in the face. Is that right or am I misinformed?

09-09-2012, 07:13 AM	#10
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: SUSPENSIONS OVERTURNED Originally Posted by saintfan Seems the rub however comes from the fact that to enforce these amazingly brutal fines/suspensions, Roger is going to have to show his evidence - either now or in a real court. Should he choose NOT to expose his very questionable sources, he can fine until he's blue in the face. Is that right or am I misinformed? No... that isn't what it is about at all. This is mainly who has jurisdiction on who can impose punishment on this. It comes down to is it a Salary cap violation... which everyone agrees it is not. Is it a Detriment to the game violation which is where Roger will lean towards because the statements were made to that fact. Once it is clear then the latter is Rogers jurisdiction and then he can impose penalties. Judge in the matter will have nothing to say or can't do anything because it falls under Rogers jurisdiction.

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