Spagnuolo: Saints defense was a step slow

09-15-2012, 12:21 PM

Originally Posted by Ashley

I hope this can be corrected, but i really believe we just dont have the players on that side of the ball. No one is an elite player, we have some good ones, just no real threats. So i do hope that this coach can get the the best out of what he has to work with.

Curtis Lofton

Jabari Greer?

W. Kovacs · 09-15-2012, 03:41 PM

I hate to say this but considering our lack of depth at WR and our OT situation, I feel like we really need the D to pick it up this year. Considering the fact they have completely overhauled in many respects, I don't see that happening. This could be a long year for us.

The bright side is that if we get a solid D lineman and OT in the draft, and our young receivers (Tanner, Toon, Morgan) and Defense get a year to develop, we should murder people next year.

I know, I know it's only been one game but I just watched my Hokies get taken apart by unranked Pitt...my optimism tank is about empty right now.

AllSaints · 09-15-2012, 04:02 PM

Well hmm how come we can find these star offense players... but Defense we just get a crap shoot.... ugh ! COME ON ! ! ! ! MANNNN !!!!

mutineer10 · 09-15-2012, 04:07 PM

Just "a step" slow?

Did he see Robinson jogging to the sideline?

Ashley · 09-15-2012, 04:15 PM

Originally Posted by GoofySaint

Curtis Lofton

Jabari Greer?

Jabari is damn good. He is one our best hands down Lofton is good, but have either one made the probowl? I know we have some back there who has made the pro bowl. We do have some good talent, but you cant say they are great.
That is all i am saying, I'm not trying to punch holes in our D. But it is what it is

The Dude · 09-15-2012, 04:15 PM

Originally Posted by GoofySaint

Curtis Lofton

Jabari Greer?

Why do you keep bringing those guys up? You act like these guys are all pros or something. They are good, and yes can be difference makers, but the two of them do not make up the entire personnel. They are probably the best two we have right now and both are only slightly above average. A lot of our other players might not even start for other NFL teams. With your logic a team like the Rams would be great because they have Steven Jackson.

saintsfan1976 · 09-15-2012, 05:09 PM

New DC
New scheme
Some new players
Plenty of injuries

I think the D will be fine. Good thing the "wake up call" came week one...

pinch · 09-15-2012, 08:13 PM

Originally Posted by Ashley

I hope this can be corrected, but i really believe we just dont have the players on that side of the ball. No one is an elite player, we have some good ones, just no real threats. So i do hope that this coach can get the the best out of what he has to work with.

We could barely generate a pass rush with Gregg Williams blitzing his balls off all game every game, so I've been very skeptical that Spags would have success rushing four. I'm holding out hope, but I'll believe it when I see it.

GoofySaint · 09-15-2012, 08:22 PM

Originally Posted by The Dude

Why do you keep bringing those guys up? You act like these guys are all pros or something. They are good, and yes can be difference makers, but the two of them do not make up the entire personnel. They are probably the best two we have right now and both are only slightly above average. A lot of our other players might not even start for other NFL teams. With your logic a team like the Rams would be great because they have Steven Jackson.

No it's not because Steven Jackson is not the whole rams team and the saints D isn't the whole saints team. You seem to forget that we still have an offense. I can name 5 promising D players right now.

I saw Jabari Greer ranked as the second best cornerback in the league(second only to Darelle Revis).

Curtis Lofton was ranked as the 10th best linebacker in the league.

Sounds like they could be pros to me. And like I said, if the system works then we'll see these guys carrying the defense. And maybe a few other like Malcolm Jenkins, Will Smith, Hawthorne etc.

When did I ever say that these guys were our entire personnel? I was merely saying that acting like our team has zero good D players is just BS.

GoofySaint · 09-15-2012, 08:25 PM

Originally Posted by Ashley

Jabari is damn good. He is one our best hands down Lofton is good, but have either one made the probowl? I know we have some back there who has made the pro bowl. We do have some good talent, but you cant say they are great.
That is all i am saying, I'm not trying to punch holes in our D. But it is what it is

Neither one has made the probowl because neither was used to the best of their abilities.

Lofton was used on a Falcons D with nothing around him and revolved around the falcons offense. I see proof of this in his comments about his old team.

And Greer was used in a GW system that just called for "blitz,blitz,blitz!"(not exactly something you can do when you're a cornerback). You think Revis was praised because of his sacks?

I saw Jabari Greer ranked as the 2nd best corner in the league(second only to Revis).

I also Curtis Lofton ranked as the 10th best linebacker in the league.

That sounds great to me.

Plus I only used those guys because they're our top guys.

There's also a few honorable mentions like Malcolm Jenkins, Will Smith, and Hawthorne.

It's not the dome patrol but it's more than enough to keep the 1# offense going.

09-15-2012, 12:21 PM	#11
Threaded by GoofySaint 100th Post Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Philipsburg, PA Posts: 161 Rating: (0 votes - average) Originally Posted by Ashley I hope this can be corrected, but i really believe we just dont have the players on that side of the ball. No one is an elite player, we have some good ones, just no real threats. So i do hope that this coach can get the the best out of what he has to work with. Curtis Lofton Jabari Greer?
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09-15-2012, 03:41 PM	#12
W. Kovacs 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Milwaukee, WI Posts: 514	Re: Spagnuolo: Saints defense was a step slow I hate to say this but considering our lack of depth at WR and our OT situation, I feel like we really need the D to pick it up this year. Considering the fact they have completely overhauled in many respects, I don't see that happening. This could be a long year for us. The bright side is that if we get a solid D lineman and OT in the draft, and our young receivers (Tanner, Toon, Morgan) and Defense get a year to develop, we should murder people next year. I know, I know it's only been one game but I just watched my Hokies get taken apart by unranked Pitt...my optimism tank is about empty right now.

09-15-2012, 04:02 PM	#13
AllSaints Breakin Records Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Deville, Louisiana Posts: 2,167	Re: Spagnuolo: Saints defense was a step slow Well hmm how come we can find these star offense players... but Defense we just get a crap shoot.... ugh ! COME ON ! ! ! ! MANNNN !!!!

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mutineer10 Site Donor Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Baton Rouge, LA Posts: 1,739	Re: Spagnuolo: Saints defense was a step slow Just "a step" slow? Did he see Robinson jogging to the sideline? Ashley likes this.

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Ashley Site Donor Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Colorado Springs Co Posts: 2,760	Re: Spagnuolo: Saints defense was a step slow Originally Posted by GoofySaint Curtis Lofton Jabari Greer? Jabari is damn good. He is one our best hands down Lofton is good, but have either one made the probowl? I know we have some back there who has made the pro bowl. We do have some good talent, but you cant say they are great. That is all i am saying, I'm not trying to punch holes in our D. But it is what it is

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pinch 100th Post Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Diamondhead, MS Posts: 272 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Spagnuolo: Saints defense was a step slow Originally Posted by Ashley I hope this can be corrected, but i really believe we just dont have the players on that side of the ball. No one is an elite player, we have some good ones, just no real threats. So i do hope that this coach can get the the best out of what he has to work with. We could barely generate a pass rush with Gregg Williams blitzing his balls off all game every game, so I've been very skeptical that Spags would have success rushing four. I'm holding out hope, but I'll believe it when I see it.

09-15-2012, 08:22 PM	#19
GoofySaint 100th Post Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Philipsburg, PA Posts: 161	Re: Spagnuolo: Saints defense was a step slow Originally Posted by The Dude Why do you keep bringing those guys up? You act like these guys are all pros or something. They are good, and yes can be difference makers, but the two of them do not make up the entire personnel. They are probably the best two we have right now and both are only slightly above average. A lot of our other players might not even start for other NFL teams. With your logic a team like the Rams would be great because they have Steven Jackson. No it's not because Steven Jackson is not the whole rams team and the saints D isn't the whole saints team. You seem to forget that we still have an offense. I can name 5 promising D players right now. I saw Jabari Greer ranked as the second best cornerback in the league(second only to Darelle Revis). Curtis Lofton was ranked as the 10th best linebacker in the league. Sounds like they could be pros to me. And like I said, if the system works then we'll see these guys carrying the defense. And maybe a few other like Malcolm Jenkins, Will Smith, Hawthorne etc. When did I ever say that these guys were our entire personnel? I was merely saying that acting like our team has zero good D players is just BS.

09-15-2012, 08:25 PM	#20
GoofySaint 100th Post Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Philipsburg, PA Posts: 161	Re: Spagnuolo: Saints defense was a step slow Originally Posted by Ashley Jabari is damn good. He is one our best hands down Lofton is good, but have either one made the probowl? I know we have some back there who has made the pro bowl. We do have some good talent, but you cant say they are great. That is all i am saying, I'm not trying to punch holes in our D. But it is what it is Neither one has made the probowl because neither was used to the best of their abilities. Lofton was used on a Falcons D with nothing around him and revolved around the falcons offense. I see proof of this in his comments about his old team. And Greer was used in a GW system that just called for "blitz,blitz,blitz!"(not exactly something you can do when you're a cornerback). You think Revis was praised because of his sacks? I saw Jabari Greer ranked as the 2nd best corner in the league(second only to Revis). I also Curtis Lofton ranked as the 10th best linebacker in the league. That sounds great to me. Plus I only used those guys because they're our top guys. There's also a few honorable mentions like Malcolm Jenkins, Will Smith, and Hawthorne. It's not the dome patrol but it's more than enough to keep the 1# offense going.