Question for the Bandwagon Fans & Brees Blamers!

jcp026 · 09-19-2012, 09:26 PM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

Sproles has gotten a couple runs, but mainly screens and returns is where he has been utilized

He hasn't had any runs. He has zero carries on this season.

73Saint · 09-19-2012, 01:08 PM

I keep hearing a lot about how many points our O is putting up, versus how poorly our D is playing. Granted, our D is playing awful, but if you think our O isn't to blame, you are nuts. How many sustained drives have we had versus 3 and outs? What's our 3rd down percentage? How many offensive turnovers have we had? Our Offense has not done much to help our Defense out. We all knew there would be growing pains w/ the Spags Defense. I don't think anyone expected the Offense to look as bad as it does. Brees is the leader of our Offense, especially w/o SP, so I think it's natural for folks to look at Brees when trying to pinpoint the "problem".

And another thing, some people are "glass half full", some people are "the sky is falling", some are a combination of both. Either way, doesn't mean you are a bandwagon fan. Just because you are optimistic, doesn't mean you are a real fan, either...

TheOak · 09-19-2012, 01:54 PM

Originally Posted by 73Saint

I keep hearing a lot about how many points our O is putting up, versus how poorly our D is playing. Granted, our D is playing awful, but if you think our O isn't to blame, you are nuts. How many sustained drives have we had versus 3 and outs? What's our 3rd down percentage? How many offensive turnovers have we had? Our Offense has not done much to help our Defense out. We all knew there would be growing pains w/ the Spags Defense. I don't think anyone expected the Offense to look as bad as it does. Brees is the leader of our Offense, especially w/o SP, so I think it's natural for folks to look at Brees when trying to pinpoint the "problem".

And another thing, some people are "glass half full", some people are "the sky is falling", some are a combination of both. Either way, doesn't mean you are a bandwagon fan. Just because you are optimistic, doesn't mean you are a real fan, either...

Team Stats:
Completion %: Saints .54 / Opponents .71 (we are letting them look like stars)
1st downs: Saints 51/ Opponents 45
3rd down%: Saints .38 / Oponents .37
4th down Conversions: Saints .66 / Opponents .50
Turn Over ratio: -4 but I dont count hailmarys at the end of the game.
Rushing: Saints 195 yards / Opponents 372 yards
Passing: Saints 649 yards ave 6.6 YPC / Opponents 550 yards ave 12.5 YPC (our d-backs and letting them kill us with long balls.)
Punting: Saints 8 / Opponents 4
Time of Possession: Saints 25:37 / Opponents 34.23 (Our Defense keeps their offense on the field way too long)

Call me nuts but those numbers put 90% on the Defense.

73Saint · 09-19-2012, 02:55 PM

I think stats two games into the season are worthless. I still stand behind what I wrote, and what I see with my own two eyes. It's NOT all on the Defense. It's a lot, but not all...

TheOak · 09-19-2012, 03:22 PM

Originally Posted by 73Saint

I think stats two games into the season are worthless. I still stand behind what I wrote, and what I see with my own two eyes. It's NOT all on the Defense. It's a lot, but not all...

.... well if you do not want to know what out 3rd down % is two games into the season.

Don't ask for it.

73Saint · 09-19-2012, 03:49 PM

Originally Posted by x626xBlack

.... well if you do not want to know what out 3rd down % is two games into the season.

Don't ask for it.

My point is, it's not all on the Defense. I said in my original post, the D is awful, but the Offense is stinking it up too. O-line, receivers, Drew, pretty much everyone except PT23 looks nothing like the past few years.

Boutte · 09-19-2012, 04:46 PM

Yes the offense looks bad. A lot of that is because we're spoiled but a lot of it because these guys are so much better than this. Colston is the biggest surprise to me and now Moore has the dropsies. How many TD passes have they dropped? I can think of at least three.

But we're still scoring so at least there's that.

skymike · 09-19-2012, 05:31 PM

nah, Boutte.... I still say the O sux just as much since 28 of our points have been in Garbage Time.

jcp026 · 09-19-2012, 09:26 PM

Neither.

NOLA54 · 09-19-2012, 10:28 PM

Tebow doesn't deserve to be in the same sentance with Brees.

09-19-2012, 09:26 PM	#1
jcp026 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 955	Re: Question for the Bandwagon Fans & Brees Blamers! Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| Sproles has gotten a couple runs, but mainly screens and returns is where he has been utilized He hasn't had any runs. He has zero carries on this season.
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09-19-2012, 01:08 PM	#2
73Saint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: NOLA Posts: 2,336	Re: Question for the Bandwagon Fans & Brees Blamers! I keep hearing a lot about how many points our O is putting up, versus how poorly our D is playing. Granted, our D is playing awful, but if you think our O isn't to blame, you are nuts. How many sustained drives have we had versus 3 and outs? What's our 3rd down percentage? How many offensive turnovers have we had? Our Offense has not done much to help our Defense out. We all knew there would be growing pains w/ the Spags Defense. I don't think anyone expected the Offense to look as bad as it does. Brees is the leader of our Offense, especially w/o SP, so I think it's natural for folks to look at Brees when trying to pinpoint the "problem". And another thing, some people are "glass half full", some people are "the sky is falling", some are a combination of both. Either way, doesn't mean you are a bandwagon fan. Just because you are optimistic, doesn't mean you are a real fan, either...

09-19-2012, 01:54 PM	#3
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,055	Re: Question for the Bandwagon Fans & Brees Blamers! Originally Posted by 73Saint I keep hearing a lot about how many points our O is putting up, versus how poorly our D is playing. Granted, our D is playing awful, but if you think our O isn't to blame, you are nuts. How many sustained drives have we had versus 3 and outs? What's our 3rd down percentage? How many offensive turnovers have we had? Our Offense has not done much to help our Defense out. We all knew there would be growing pains w/ the Spags Defense. I don't think anyone expected the Offense to look as bad as it does. Brees is the leader of our Offense, especially w/o SP, so I think it's natural for folks to look at Brees when trying to pinpoint the "problem". And another thing, some people are "glass half full", some people are "the sky is falling", some are a combination of both. Either way, doesn't mean you are a bandwagon fan. Just because you are optimistic, doesn't mean you are a real fan, either... Team Stats: Completion %: Saints .54 / Opponents .71 (we are letting them look like stars) 1st downs: Saints 51/ Opponents 45 3rd down%: Saints .38 / Oponents .37 4th down Conversions: Saints .66 / Opponents .50 Turn Over ratio: -4 but I dont count hailmarys at the end of the game. Rushing: Saints 195 yards / Opponents 372 yards Passing: Saints 649 yards ave 6.6 YPC / Opponents 550 yards ave 12.5 YPC (our d-backs and letting them kill us with long balls.) Punting: Saints 8 / Opponents 4 Time of Possession: Saints 25:37 / Opponents 34.23 (Our Defense keeps their offense on the field way too long) Call me nuts but those numbers put 90% on the Defense.
	It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Henry David Thoreau

09-19-2012, 02:55 PM	#4
73Saint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: NOLA Posts: 2,336	Re: Question for the Bandwagon Fans & Brees Blamers! I think stats two games into the season are worthless. I still stand behind what I wrote, and what I see with my own two eyes. It's NOT all on the Defense. It's a lot, but not all...

09-19-2012, 03:22 PM	#5
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,055	Re: Question for the Bandwagon Fans & Brees Blamers! Originally Posted by 73Saint I think stats two games into the season are worthless. I still stand behind what I wrote, and what I see with my own two eyes. It's NOT all on the Defense. It's a lot, but not all... .... well if you do not want to know what out 3rd down % is two games into the season. Don't ask for it.

09-19-2012, 03:49 PM	#6
73Saint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: NOLA Posts: 2,336	Re: Question for the Bandwagon Fans & Brees Blamers! Originally Posted by x626xBlack .... well if you do not want to know what out 3rd down % is two games into the season. Don't ask for it. My point is, it's not all on the Defense. I said in my original post, the D is awful, but the Offense is stinking it up too. O-line, receivers, Drew, pretty much everyone except PT23 looks nothing like the past few years.

09-19-2012, 04:46 PM	#7
Boutte Site Donor Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Belle Chasse Posts: 1,701	Re: Question for the Bandwagon Fans & Brees Blamers! Yes the offense looks bad. A lot of that is because we're spoiled but a lot of it because these guys are so much better than this. Colston is the biggest surprise to me and now Moore has the dropsies. How many TD passes have they dropped? I can think of at least three. But we're still scoring so at least there's that.

09-19-2012, 05:31 PM	#8
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