Spags system will work but not yet(Warning lot of text).

228jits · 09-19-2012, 08:16 AM

Really, you can't blame Spags in this. He's been given the task of turning a mediocre-at-best defense and expected to turn them into the 2007 post season Giants defense. Sorry to upset the fairweather Saints fans, but it's not going to happen. Our D line is not going to work with the current line up.

You can teach technique until your eyes turn blue, but you can't teach heart. This group, as a whole, has no heart. Bunkley is the most aggresive of front. Will Smith forgot that he's not suspended. Jordan is a work in progress. I don't know where is Ellis is.

The LB's can't get swallowed by the O line for this system to work. They have to be able to play more coverage and be able to protect the edges better. They haven't been able to with 5 man O lines stepping on their laces.

Ashley · 09-19-2012, 08:34 AM

hope your right, ill just say that

GeauxForMore · 09-19-2012, 09:11 AM

All I know is we played RGlll week 1 and Cam week 2. They have non-traditional O's. I think it would be hard for any new D to run well against that. All that being said this week is my last week defending Spags if the D doesn't show some signs of improvement. Like you know STOPPING PEOPLE ON 3 AND LONG....................Oh and I pray Drew plays his game. Looks like he is spread as thin as our CB's. You can't be coach, QB, motivational speaker, GM, water boy, and try to show everyone you deserved that contract. Just Dew you Drew.

228jits · 09-19-2012, 10:34 AM

Originally Posted by GeauxForMore

All I know is we played RGlll week 1 and Cam week 2. They have non-traditional O's. I think it would be hard for any new D to run well against that. All that being said this week is my last week defending Spags if the D doesn't show some signs of improvement. Like you know STOPPING PEOPLE ON 3 AND LONG....................Oh and I pray Drew plays his game. Looks like he is spread as thin as our CB's. You can't be coach, QB, motivational speaker, GM, water boy, and try to show everyone you deserved that contract. Just Dew you Drew.

Tampa seemed to handle Cam and RB's pretty well when they played. Jeff Fisher seemed to contain RG3 pretty well too... I don't know..

I'm not on the blame Drew bandwagon. He's trying to make up for more than he has to in his entire time in NO. He has too much pressure on him (metaphorically and during the game!)

Tobias-Reiper · 09-19-2012, 11:50 AM

Originally Posted by 228jits

Tampa seemed to handle Cam and RB's pretty well Jeff Fisher seemed to contain RG3 pretty well too... I don't know..

...hmm.. 300 yds passing/rushing with 3 TDs for Griffin against the Rams, with actual NFL footage to study for a week... Man, if that's "containment", I'd hate to see RG3 run wild.

228jits · 09-19-2012, 02:41 PM

Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper

...hmm.. 300 yds passing/rushing with 3 TDs for Griffin against the Rams, with actual NFL footage to study for a week... Man, if that's "containment", I'd hate to see RG3 run wild.

Nice that you can read stats. If you watched the game that the Rams actually touched RG3. They gave him problems. Because he was able to pass the ball for 300 yards means he was as advertised. And yes the contained him enough to win the game. Redskins are 1-1 the last time I checked.

Let's compare game stats:

Attempts/Completions
19/26 v NO
20/29 v STL

Passing Yards
320 v NO
206 v STL

Average per pass
12.31 v NO
7.10 v STL

2 TD v NO
1 TD 1 INT v STL

Rushing attempts/yards/TD's
9/42/0 v NO
11/82/2 v STL

Tobias-Reiper · 09-19-2012, 03:55 PM

Originally Posted by 228jits

Nice that you can read stats. If you watched the game that the Rams actually touched RG3. They gave him problems. Because he was able to pass the ball for 300 yards means he was as advertised. And yes the contained him enough to win the game. Redskins are 1-1 the last time I checked.

Gee, they touched him! The humanity.

I am simply saying that a team "containing" a QB to 300 yds and 3 TDs is not really "containing" him, lest you expect RG3 to be gaining 400 yds and scoring 5 TDs a game.

Joker · 09-19-2012, 11:05 AM

Spuds system will work with the right personnel that he don't have right now. He needs to adapt to what's s ail able to him and go from there, can he, will he that's the million dollar question

Shoe. · 09-19-2012, 11:48 AM

Originally Posted by Joker

Spuds system will work with the right personnel that he don't have right now. He needs to adapt to what's s ail able to him and go from there, can he, will he that's the million dollar question

His past results more or less speak for themselves.

He handled us pretty well last year with off-the-street 5th and 6th str CBs.

And we had literally the best O-line in the league, and he still was able to get to us and disrupt Brees' rhythm (and sack him a couple of times to boot).

Give the man some time to find his pieces and put them together how he likes. Keep in mind he's still largely playing with gregggggggggggggggggggggggggggs D

SaintsBro · 09-19-2012, 12:08 PM

I was REALLY stoked on all the new stuff with the team after that Hall of Fame game and the Patriots. I liked Grubbs, the D, the new linebackers. The starters were checking everything off the What Do We Want To See checklist on defense -- sack, fumble, pressures, interception, shoulda-been-a-safety, not letting teams cross midfield for a whole quarter...we even almost solved Arizona's preseason QB controversy for them! Then the starters in the Texans game, it seemed like a close but winnable slugfest, just like every time when we play them. Then ever since the Jaguars game, man, it's been a steaming cowpie out there. It's a fricking nightmare.

* sheds tear, at the memory of clobbering Kevin Kolb in the end zone, like in the good old days *

09-19-2012, 08:16 AM	#1
228jits Southern Sooner Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Gulfcoast, MS Posts: 83	Re: Spags system will work but not yet(Warning lot of text). Really, you can't blame Spags in this. He's been given the task of turning a mediocre-at-best defense and expected to turn them into the 2007 post season Giants defense. Sorry to upset the fairweather Saints fans, but it's not going to happen. Our D line is not going to work with the current line up. You can teach technique until your eyes turn blue, but you can't teach heart. This group, as a whole, has no heart. Bunkley is the most aggresive of front. Will Smith forgot that he's not suspended. Jordan is a work in progress. I don't know where is Ellis is. The LB's can't get swallowed by the O line for this system to work. They have to be able to play more coverage and be able to protect the edges better. They haven't been able to with 5 man O lines stepping on their laces.

09-19-2012, 08:34 AM	#2
Ashley Site Donor Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Colorado Springs Co Posts: 2,760	Re: Spags system will work but not yet(Warning lot of text). hope your right, ill just say that

09-19-2012, 09:11 AM	#3
GeauxForMore 500th Post Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Panama City, FL Posts: 590	Re: Spags system will work but not yet(Warning lot of text). All I know is we played RGlll week 1 and Cam week 2. They have non-traditional O's. I think it would be hard for any new D to run well against that. All that being said this week is my last week defending Spags if the D doesn't show some signs of improvement. Like you know STOPPING PEOPLE ON 3 AND LONG....................Oh and I pray Drew plays his game. Looks like he is spread as thin as our CB's. You can't be coach, QB, motivational speaker, GM, water boy, and try to show everyone you deserved that contract. Just Dew you Drew.

09-19-2012, 10:34 AM	#4
228jits Southern Sooner Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Gulfcoast, MS Posts: 83	Re: Spags system will work but not yet(Warning lot of text). Originally Posted by GeauxForMore All I know is we played RGlll week 1 and Cam week 2. They have non-traditional O's. I think it would be hard for any new D to run well against that. All that being said this week is my last week defending Spags if the D doesn't show some signs of improvement. Like you know STOPPING PEOPLE ON 3 AND LONG....................Oh and I pray Drew plays his game. Looks like he is spread as thin as our CB's. You can't be coach, QB, motivational speaker, GM, water boy, and try to show everyone you deserved that contract. Just Dew you Drew. Tampa seemed to handle Cam and RB's pretty well when they played. Jeff Fisher seemed to contain RG3 pretty well too... I don't know.. I'm not on the blame Drew bandwagon. He's trying to make up for more than he has to in his entire time in NO. He has too much pressure on him (metaphorically and during the game!)

09-19-2012, 11:50 AM	#5
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Re: Spags system will work but not yet(Warning lot of text). Originally Posted by 228jits Tampa seemed to handle Cam and RB's pretty well Jeff Fisher seemed to contain RG3 pretty well too... I don't know.. ...hmm.. 300 yds passing/rushing with 3 TDs for Griffin against the Rams, with actual NFL footage to study for a week... Man, if that's "containment", I'd hate to see RG3 run wild.

09-19-2012, 02:41 PM	#6
228jits Southern Sooner Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Gulfcoast, MS Posts: 83	Re: Spags system will work but not yet(Warning lot of text). Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper ...hmm.. 300 yds passing/rushing with 3 TDs for Griffin against the Rams, with actual NFL footage to study for a week... Man, if that's "containment", I'd hate to see RG3 run wild. Nice that you can read stats. If you watched the game that the Rams actually touched RG3. They gave him problems. Because he was able to pass the ball for 300 yards means he was as advertised. And yes the contained him enough to win the game. Redskins are 1-1 the last time I checked. Let's compare game stats: Attempts/Completions 19/26 v NO 20/29 v STL Passing Yards 320 v NO 206 v STL Average per pass 12.31 v NO 7.10 v STL 2 TD v NO 1 TD 1 INT v STL Rushing attempts/yards/TD's 9/42/0 v NO 11/82/2 v STL

09-19-2012, 03:55 PM	#7
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Re: Spags system will work but not yet(Warning lot of text). Originally Posted by 228jits Nice that you can read stats. If you watched the game that the Rams actually touched RG3. They gave him problems. Because he was able to pass the ball for 300 yards means he was as advertised. And yes the contained him enough to win the game. Redskins are 1-1 the last time I checked. Gee, they touched him! The humanity. I am simply saying that a team "containing" a QB to 300 yds and 3 TDs is not really "containing" him, lest you expect RG3 to be gaining 400 yds and scoring 5 TDs a game.

09-19-2012, 11:05 AM	#8
Joker Site Donor Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Lafayette Posts: 408 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Spags system will work but not yet(Warning lot of text). Spuds system will work with the right personnel that he don't have right now. He needs to adapt to what's s ail able to him and go from there, can he, will he that's the million dollar question

09-19-2012, 11:48 AM	#9
Shoe. 500th Post Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Hub City Posts: 576	Re: Spags system will work but not yet(Warning lot of text). Originally Posted by Joker Spuds system will work with the right personnel that he don't have right now. He needs to adapt to what's s ail able to him and go from there, can he, will he that's the million dollar question His past results more or less speak for themselves. He handled us pretty well last year with off-the-street 5th and 6th str CBs. And we had literally the best O-line in the league, and he still was able to get to us and disrupt Brees' rhythm (and sack him a couple of times to boot). Give the man some time to find his pieces and put them together how he likes. Keep in mind he's still largely playing with gregggggggggggggggggggggggggggs D

09-19-2012, 12:08 PM	#10
SaintsBro Site Donor Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: in line with my ridiculous CLEAR PLASTIC BAG Posts: 3,650 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Spags system will work but not yet(Warning lot of text). I was REALLY stoked on all the new stuff with the team after that Hall of Fame game and the Patriots. I liked Grubbs, the D, the new linebackers. The starters were checking everything off the What Do We Want To See checklist on defense -- sack, fumble, pressures, interception, shoulda-been-a-safety, not letting teams cross midfield for a whole quarter...we even almost solved Arizona's preseason QB controversy for them! Then the starters in the Texans game, it seemed like a close but winnable slugfest, just like every time when we play them. Then ever since the Jaguars game, man, it's been a steaming cowpie out there. It's a fricking nightmare. * sheds tear, at the memory of clobbering Kevin Kolb in the end zone, like in the good old days *

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