Can Hartley Be Trusted?

jeanpierre · 09-23-2012, 07:41 PM

Originally Posted by Jamessr

Not saying it was Hartly's fault... but I'd resign John Kasey.

Light a fire under his @$$ - give him focus...

TheOak · 09-23-2012, 07:43 PM

Originally Posted by 4everSaint

The whole thing about analyzing a kick that was missed very early on is kind of pointless because the WHOLE game would have been different. I think it is funny when people think we can just add those 3 points thinking the game plays out the same way.

Your right. It plays out differently.... We have 3 more points the rest of the entire game.

4everSaint · 09-23-2012, 07:47 PM

I'm saying that you don't know how the ball bounces from there. Who is to say we don't kick off and they don't return it for a touchdown? Butterfly effect.

4everSaint · 09-23-2012, 07:49 PM

Originally Posted by x626xBlack

Your right. It plays out differently.... We have 3 more points the rest of the entire game.

But how do you know they don't score on the next kickoff after we score those 3? You don't.

4everSaint · 09-23-2012, 07:49 PM

you can't just add 3 points.

70saintsfan · 09-23-2012, 11:49 PM

How does he miss that? In the Dome?

MatthewT · 09-24-2012, 12:06 AM

Heck no, I don't trust Hartley at all. I do get that he is incredibly talented, and I know despite that miss today he has been perfect. I wouldn't run him out of town just yet, but if he starts to show signs of struggling, I would bring Kasey back in a heartbeat. Yes, Kasey is a major liability outside of 40 yards, but 40 and closer he is pretty much dead on.

st thomas · 09-24-2012, 12:38 AM

I don't believe this game will affect hartly status. But if he pulls that bullcrap miss again then there will be debates or even cuts. Can't put it pn him today but a great observation.we had key drops again that totally changes this game. We had ref goofs made huge bunks.so hartly in my book is safe for another week.

Crusader · 09-24-2012, 01:28 AM

Yes we can trust Hartley, no him missing on ekick was not the reason for the loss.

TheOak · 09-24-2012, 07:55 AM

Originally Posted by 4everSaint

But how do you know they don't score on the next kickoff after we score those 3? You don't.

Theoretically an alien space craft could come down and end the game... The facts are not theoretical. If Hartley makes the FG, it adds 3 points, at the end of the game we are 3 points ahead. No OT.

Unless you can explain to me how Hartley making the kick would effect KC scoring a touch down directly i cant buy in to 'how do you know... anything could have happened".

Hartley's kick did not keep them from getting into the endzone after that play. The Defense did.

09-23-2012, 07:41 PM	#11
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Can Hartley Be Trusted? Originally Posted by Jamessr Not saying it was Hartly's fault... but I'd resign John Kasey. Light a fire under his @$$ - give him focus...

09-23-2012, 07:43 PM	#12
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Originally Posted by 4everSaint The whole thing about analyzing a kick that was missed very early on is kind of pointless because the WHOLE game would have been different. I think it is funny when people think we can just add those 3 points thinking the game plays out the same way. Your right. It plays out differently.... We have 3 more points the rest of the entire game.

09-23-2012, 07:47 PM	#13
4everSaint 500th Post Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Madison, MS Posts: 809	Re: Can Hartley Be Trusted? I'm saying that you don't know how the ball bounces from there. Who is to say we don't kick off and they don't return it for a touchdown? Butterfly effect.

09-23-2012, 07:49 PM	#14
4everSaint 500th Post Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Madison, MS Posts: 809	Re: Can Hartley Be Trusted? Originally Posted by x626xBlack Your right. It plays out differently.... We have 3 more points the rest of the entire game. But how do you know they don't score on the next kickoff after we score those 3? You don't.

09-23-2012, 07:49 PM	#15
4everSaint 500th Post Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Madison, MS Posts: 809	Re: Can Hartley Be Trusted? you can't just add 3 points.

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09-24-2012, 12:06 AM	#17
MatthewT 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Mississippi Posts: 2,729	Re: Can Hartley Be Trusted? Heck no, I don't trust Hartley at all. I do get that he is incredibly talented, and I know despite that miss today he has been perfect. I wouldn't run him out of town just yet, but if he starts to show signs of struggling, I would bring Kasey back in a heartbeat. Yes, Kasey is a major liability outside of 40 yards, but 40 and closer he is pretty much dead on.

09-24-2012, 12:38 AM	#18
st thomas Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: lafayette Posts: 7,753	Re: Can Hartley Be Trusted? I don't believe this game will affect hartly status. But if he pulls that bullcrap miss again then there will be debates or even cuts. Can't put it pn him today but a great observation.we had key drops again that totally changes this game. We had ref goofs made huge bunks.so hartly in my book is safe for another week.

09-24-2012, 01:28 AM	#19
Crusader Resident Swede Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Märsta, Sweden Posts: 8,025	Re: Can Hartley Be Trusted? Yes we can trust Hartley, no him missing on ekick was not the reason for the loss.

09-24-2012, 07:55 AM	#20
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Re: Can Hartley Be Trusted? Originally Posted by 4everSaint But how do you know they don't score on the next kickoff after we score those 3? You don't. Theoretically an alien space craft could come down and end the game... The facts are not theoretical. If Hartley makes the FG, it adds 3 points, at the end of the game we are 3 points ahead. No OT. Unless you can explain to me how Hartley making the kick would effect KC scoring a touch down directly i cant buy in to 'how do you know... anything could have happened". Hartley's kick did not keep them from getting into the endzone after that play. The Defense did.

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