Pierre Thomas Philosophy

|Mitch| · 09-23-2012, 07:55 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

I'd include the entire front 7 in that statement. Maybe keep Jordan, Lofton, Bunkley and Hicks. The rest... meh.

You're right, journeymen couldn't be much worse.

I'd keep Wilson and let him start somewhere, LB/DE

saintsfan1976 · 09-23-2012, 07:56 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Specifically, I could think of five starters or significant playing time players that have not been getting it done...

Ellis, Smith, Jenkins, Harper, Ingram, Hartley...

Ellis - 4 solo tckls, 10 assits so far. Invisible comes to mind.
Smith - was our best DE (four years ago)
Jenkins / Harper - these guys look completely confused
Ingram - is it me or is there rarely a hole for this guy??
Hartley - one more missed FG........

Danno · 09-23-2012, 08:04 PM

Suckage Rankings on Defense

Sedrick Ellis
Scott Shanle
David Hawthorne
Will Smith
Broderick Bunkley
Patrick Robinson
Malcolm Jenkins
Corey White (he gets a temp pass for being a rook)
Cam Jordan
Roman Harper
Curtis Lofton
Jabari Greer

BIGEASY504 · 09-23-2012, 09:32 PM

Originally Posted by saintfan

IMO the entire defensive front could be replaced. It frankly couldn't get any worse.

Will Smith is slow, Eillis gets no pressure and Jordan can benefit if one other D-lineman step up. Young line is needed, I think Hicks Johnson and Walker can improve the middle of the line with increased playing time as too with Jr and Tez.

Rugby Saint II · 09-23-2012, 10:31 PM

PT 23 is the man. He's worth more than his meager contraact. He's not being used effectively now, but will hopefully stay healthy with a good rotation.

dizzle88 · 09-24-2012, 03:17 AM

We ain't got no money to fix our D to a great extent anyway, 100 million dollars and we can't even complete a single pass in the second half and get a total of minus 16 yards in the 4th

If we had kept running the ball when we were up 24-6, this would never have happened, but drew forces that pass and 5 minutes later its 24-16

SaintsBro · 09-24-2012, 11:26 AM

I really don't get why they aren't leaning on Pierre Thomas MORE, now that things are not going well. We've all seen Pierre pick up the whole team in a game and carry it on his shoulders for a while, when we needed to get something going. Why Carmichael can't see it is beyond me. It's like Pierre's the Invisible Man in all this, they just put him on the back burner while we keep throwing incompletions and going 3 and out and getting Drew killed back there. It's frustrating. Because nothing calms down a jittery offense better than slamming into people, being physical, pushing the pile, getting a couple first downs and moving the ball and getting a rhythm going. Then you get your confidence back instead of "tightening up."

Danno · 09-24-2012, 12:34 PM

Well we did run PT 6 times this game, for 11 yards.

NOLA54 · 09-24-2012, 12:49 PM

It looks like the coaches have lost the Payton philosophy. How can you be with Payton for 4-5years and not learn anything?

In order to save any part of this season Spags will have to change his philosopy. He needs to realize what he is doing is not working.

Shoe. · 09-24-2012, 12:58 PM

Originally Posted by SaintsBro

I really don't get why they aren't leaning on Pierre Thomas MORE, now that things are not going well. We've all seen Pierre pick up the whole team in a game and carry it on his shoulders for a while, when we needed to get something going. Why Carmichael can't see it is beyond me. It's like Pierre's the Invisible Man in all this, they just put him on the back burner while we keep throwing incompletions and going 3 and out and getting Drew killed back there. It's frustrating. Because nothing calms down a jittery offense better than slamming into people, being physical, pushing the pile, getting a couple first downs and moving the ball and getting a rhythm going. Then you get your confidence back instead of "tightening up."

I'm wondering if maybe Carmichael IS calling for some more run plays but Brees is audible-ing out of them? I felt like there were a lot of audibles yesterday

But you're very right, we certainly never had a rhythm going after that first drive. Perhaps it was the call-reversals that got to them eventually; its got to be deflating to work that hard, get down the field, make an incredibly athletic play, and then have one bozo overturn another bozo's initial call that you scored a TD, or were in bounds. Twice.

09-23-2012, 07:55 PM	#11
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: Pierre Thomas Philosophy Originally Posted by Danno I'd include the entire front 7 in that statement. Maybe keep Jordan, Lofton, Bunkley and Hicks. The rest... meh. You're right, journeymen couldn't be much worse. I'd keep Wilson and let him start somewhere, LB/DE

09-23-2012, 07:56 PM	#12
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,832 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Pierre Thomas Philosophy Originally Posted by jeanpierre Specifically, I could think of five starters or significant playing time players that have not been getting it done... Ellis, Smith, Jenkins, Harper, Ingram, Hartley... Ellis - 4 solo tckls, 10 assits so far. Invisible comes to mind. Smith - was our best DE (four years ago) Jenkins / Harper - these guys look completely confused Ingram - is it me or is there rarely a hole for this guy?? Hartley - one more missed FG........

09-23-2012, 08:04 PM	#13
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	Re: Pierre Thomas Philosophy Suckage Rankings on Defense Sedrick Ellis Scott Shanle David Hawthorne Will Smith Broderick Bunkley Patrick Robinson Malcolm Jenkins Corey White (he gets a temp pass for being a rook) Cam Jordan Roman Harper Curtis Lofton Jabari Greer

09-23-2012, 09:32 PM	#14
BIGEASY504 100th Post Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 487	Re: Pierre Thomas Philosophy Originally Posted by saintfan IMO the entire defensive front could be replaced. It frankly couldn't get any worse. Will Smith is slow, Eillis gets no pressure and Jordan can benefit if one other D-lineman step up. Young line is needed, I think Hicks Johnson and Walker can improve the middle of the line with increased playing time as too with Jr and Tez. \|Mitch\| likes this.
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09-23-2012, 10:31 PM	#15
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09-24-2012, 03:17 AM	#16
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,208	Re: Pierre Thomas Philosophy We ain't got no money to fix our D to a great extent anyway, 100 million dollars and we can't even complete a single pass in the second half and get a total of minus 16 yards in the 4th If we had kept running the ball when we were up 24-6, this would never have happened, but drew forces that pass and 5 minutes later its 24-16

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SaintsBro Site Donor Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: in line with my ridiculous CLEAR PLASTIC BAG Posts: 3,650 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Pierre Thomas Philosophy I really don't get why they aren't leaning on Pierre Thomas MORE, now that things are not going well. We've all seen Pierre pick up the whole team in a game and carry it on his shoulders for a while, when we needed to get something going. Why Carmichael can't see it is beyond me. It's like Pierre's the Invisible Man in all this, they just put him on the back burner while we keep throwing incompletions and going 3 and out and getting Drew killed back there. It's frustrating. Because nothing calms down a jittery offense better than slamming into people, being physical, pushing the pile, getting a couple first downs and moving the ball and getting a rhythm going. Then you get your confidence back instead of "tightening up."

09-24-2012, 12:34 PM	#18
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	Re: Pierre Thomas Philosophy Well we did run PT 6 times this game, for 11 yards.

09-24-2012, 12:49 PM	#19
NOLA54 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 1,708 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Pierre Thomas Philosophy It looks like the coaches have lost the Payton philosophy. How can you be with Payton for 4-5years and not learn anything? In order to save any part of this season Spags will have to change his philosopy. He needs to realize what he is doing is not working.

09-24-2012, 12:58 PM	#20
Shoe. 500th Post Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Hub City Posts: 576	Re: Pierre Thomas Philosophy Originally Posted by SaintsBro I really don't get why they aren't leaning on Pierre Thomas MORE, now that things are not going well. We've all seen Pierre pick up the whole team in a game and carry it on his shoulders for a while, when we needed to get something going. Why Carmichael can't see it is beyond me. It's like Pierre's the Invisible Man in all this, they just put him on the back burner while we keep throwing incompletions and going 3 and out and getting Drew killed back there. It's frustrating. Because nothing calms down a jittery offense better than slamming into people, being physical, pushing the pile, getting a couple first downs and moving the ball and getting a rhythm going. Then you get your confidence back instead of "tightening up." I'm wondering if maybe Carmichael IS calling for some more run plays but Brees is audible-ing out of them? I felt like there were a lot of audibles yesterday But you're very right, we certainly never had a rhythm going after that first drive. Perhaps it was the call-reversals that got to them eventually; its got to be deflating to work that hard, get down the field, make an incredibly athletic play, and then have one bozo overturn another bozo's initial call that you scored a TD, or were in bounds. Twice.

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