I am ready to move on from Hartley

Halo · 10-01-2012, 08:46 AM

Originally Posted by Budsdrinker

Are we cutting Sproles too for droping the 3rd and 4 pass from Brees that would have kept the drive alive instead of forcing the long FG?
Come on guys, 48 yard FG isn't a gimme and there is more than enough blame to go around for the loss. I guess the Giants are cutting their kicker for missing last night and Pats kicker for missing 2 of them yesterday. How about we catch the dam ball and only let the kicker kick extra points.

Again, this isn't about just the game yesterday. You know well kicker is a totally different position than runningback. Kickers are journeymen in the NFL, that's their profession. There are always 2 or 3 kickers every season sitting on standby waiting for a call for their 2nd, 3rd, 10th, 12th chance at success again.

When Hartley started missing last season, Payton and Loomis pulled in Kasey fast. Kicker is not a position teams draft and pay big payouts for a guy to just sit on staff.

I disagree that 48 isn't a gimme in the NFL. Kicks below 50 are expected. It's the pros.

He already missed this season from within 39-30 range and another 40+ yarder. Why do people keep apologizing for this guy?

Budsdrinker · 10-01-2012, 12:37 PM

Originally Posted by Halo

Again, this isn't about just the game yesterday. You know well kicker is a totally different position than runningback. Kickers are journeymen in the NFL, that's their profession. There are always 2 or 3 kickers every season sitting on standby waiting for a call for their 2nd, 3rd, 10th, 12th chance at success again.

When Hartley started missing last season, Payton and Loomis pulled in Kasey fast. Kicker is not a position teams draft and pay big payouts for a guy to just sit on staff.

I disagree that 48 isn't a gimme in the NFL. Kicks below 50 are expected. It's the pros.

He already missed this season from within 39-30 range and another 40+ yarder. Why do people keep apologizing for this guy?

First, he was injured last year. He didn't sit for Kasay. I'm not apologizing for Hartley, I'm just saying there were other people to blame for yesterdays lost. If we want to go that route and say his job is to kick FGs and when he miss we cut him, then what's the difference when Sproles drops what was a sure 1st down catch possibly TD because he had beaten his man in coverage or Moore dropping at least 3 passes. When you think of great kickers in the past 10 years doesn't Adam Vinateri and David Akers names come to mind? Well Vinateri has missed 2 FG's in the 30-39 yard range and Akers has missed 2 in the 40-49 range this year so I don't know about that kicks below 50 are expected. But if it makes you happy to cut him, let's cut him I'm sure the Dolphins would pick him up.

10-01-2012, 08:46 AM	#1
Halo Site Donor MONTHLY Join Date: May 2002 Location: New Orleans, LA Posts: 20,889 Blog Entries: 45	Re: I am ready to move on from Hartley Originally Posted by Budsdrinker Are we cutting Sproles too for droping the 3rd and 4 pass from Brees that would have kept the drive alive instead of forcing the long FG? Come on guys, 48 yard FG isn't a gimme and there is more than enough blame to go around for the loss. I guess the Giants are cutting their kicker for missing last night and Pats kicker for missing 2 of them yesterday. How about we catch the dam ball and only let the kicker kick extra points. Again, this isn't about just the game yesterday. You know well kicker is a totally different position than runningback. Kickers are journeymen in the NFL, that's their profession. There are always 2 or 3 kickers every season sitting on standby waiting for a call for their 2nd, 3rd, 10th, 12th chance at success again. When Hartley started missing last season, Payton and Loomis pulled in Kasey fast. Kicker is not a position teams draft and pay big payouts for a guy to just sit on staff. I disagree that 48 isn't a gimme in the NFL. Kicks below 50 are expected. It's the pros. He already missed this season from within 39-30 range and another 40+ yarder. Why do people keep apologizing for this guy?
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10-01-2012, 12:37 PM	#2
Budsdrinker A Cajun Transforming TX Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Woodlands, Texas Posts: 2,787	Re: I am ready to move on from Hartley Originally Posted by Halo Again, this isn't about just the game yesterday. You know well kicker is a totally different position than runningback. Kickers are journeymen in the NFL, that's their profession. There are always 2 or 3 kickers every season sitting on standby waiting for a call for their 2nd, 3rd, 10th, 12th chance at success again. When Hartley started missing last season, Payton and Loomis pulled in Kasey fast. Kicker is not a position teams draft and pay big payouts for a guy to just sit on staff. I disagree that 48 isn't a gimme in the NFL. Kicks below 50 are expected. It's the pros. He already missed this season from within 39-30 range and another 40+ yarder. Why do people keep apologizing for this guy? First, he was injured last year. He didn't sit for Kasay. I'm not apologizing for Hartley, I'm just saying there were other people to blame for yesterdays lost. If we want to go that route and say his job is to kick FGs and when he miss we cut him, then what's the difference when Sproles drops what was a sure 1st down catch possibly TD because he had beaten his man in coverage or Moore dropping at least 3 passes. When you think of great kickers in the past 10 years doesn't Adam Vinateri and David Akers names come to mind? Well Vinateri has missed 2 FG's in the 30-39 yard range and Akers has missed 2 in the 40-49 range this year so I don't know about that kicks below 50 are expected. But if it makes you happy to cut him, let's cut him I'm sure the Dolphins would pick him up.

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