OLB's - A sad day

Rugby Saint II · 10-01-2012, 10:57 AM

Hawthorne might do better.

QBREES9 · 10-01-2012, 09:50 PM

Thats just sad

bobdog86 · 10-01-2012, 11:12 PM

We need to go to a 4-1-6 defense, take the rest of the LB's and ship 'em to the NFL developmental or Lingerie league. Or maybe the kick off team, maybe they'll fall on someone and get credit for a tackle.

saintfan · 10-01-2012, 11:42 PM

Originally Posted by bobdog86

...maybe they'll fall on someone and get credit for a tackle.

AlaskaSaints · 10-02-2012, 02:33 AM

"They moved the chains! Someone please go move the traffic cone! (Shanle)"

LOL - Good posts Danno.

Alaska

Crusader · 10-02-2012, 03:40 AM

The sad thing also is that none of the LBs we drafted lately has developed.

FinSaint · 10-02-2012, 05:55 AM

Originally Posted by Crusader

The sad thing also is that none of the LBs we drafted lately has developed.

Wilson, being moved to DE, has been hit with his share of developmental challenges. And I really thought that Bussey would develop into at least a serviceable backup, but I guess the FO didn't think so because they let him go.

Casillas, while not having been drafted, has been hurt too often to have steady development, but he clearly has some potential to be at least a rotational change-up with his speed on the field. but maybe that says more about the overall quality of the LB corps than about Casillas as a player.

The Saints haven't done a good job at drafting LBs, but you could say the same thing about any defensive position really. I'd say that the drafting is the bigger concern than the actual development of the guys they've picked up along the way - thought it wouldn't hurt to get the best out of the guys in the current locker room.

Oh, and that stiff arm on Shanle's face in the beginning of the game was priceless!

jeanpierre · 10-02-2012, 07:00 AM

This past offseason...

I believe we give Spagnuolo until the end of the season, at this point we're 0-4 so the point may be moot, though I hold out hope...

But why not explore going to a true 3-4...

The money we'd save on Will Smith and Sedrick Ellis alone would give us three very good defensive lineman, and possibly another linebacker...

And we drafted Martez Wilson, who, when given the opportunity, evokes memories of what Pat Swilling was capable of doing...

jeanpierre · 10-02-2012, 07:03 AM

And just another thought...

Why not have five down defensive lineman, two linebackers, and three cornerbacks and one free safety...

If we can't get a pass rush then, with the DL having one-to-one, then ALL the DL should be cut immediately at the end of the season...

TheOak · 10-02-2012, 07:29 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

This past offseason...

I believe we give Spagnuolo until the end of the season, at this point we're 0-4 so the point may be moot, though I hold out hope...

But why not explore going to a true 3-4...

The money we'd save on Will Smith and Sedrick Ellis alone would give us three very good defensive lineman, and possibly another linebacker...

And we drafted Martez Wilson, who, when given the opportunity, evokes memories of what Pat Swilling was capable of doing...

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

And just another thought...

Why not have five down defensive lineman, two linebackers, and three cornerbacks and one free safety...

If we can't get a pass rush then, with the DL having one-to-one, then ALL the DL should be cut immediately at the end of the season...

I brought up a 3-4 before and was laughed out of the forums for wanting to switch from something that was not working and too complicated for this year to something that made sense.

As for as for 5 down and two LB... That's the opposite direction I think we should go in. Here is my reasoning... Putting Shanle on the line is the equivalent of having only 4 down linemen and making Shanle one of two LB means you have 1 LB. If we are not going to stop the run at the line and cant get pressure we need 4 LBs and at least we can keep them to 2-3 yards per carry while being able to cover the dink/dunk passes.

10-01-2012, 10:57 AM	#11
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10-01-2012, 11:12 PM	#13
bobdog86 Site Donor Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Washington State Posts: 1,406	Re: OLB's - A sad day We need to go to a 4-1-6 defense, take the rest of the LB's and ship 'em to the NFL developmental or Lingerie league. Or maybe the kick off team, maybe they'll fall on someone and get credit for a tackle. saintfan likes this.

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10-02-2012, 05:55 AM	#17
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,961	Re: OLB's - A sad day Originally Posted by Crusader The sad thing also is that none of the LBs we drafted lately has developed. Wilson, being moved to DE, has been hit with his share of developmental challenges. And I really thought that Bussey would develop into at least a serviceable backup, but I guess the FO didn't think so because they let him go. Casillas, while not having been drafted, has been hurt too often to have steady development, but he clearly has some potential to be at least a rotational change-up with his speed on the field. but maybe that says more about the overall quality of the LB corps than about Casillas as a player. The Saints haven't done a good job at drafting LBs, but you could say the same thing about any defensive position really. I'd say that the drafting is the bigger concern than the actual development of the guys they've picked up along the way - thought it wouldn't hurt to get the best out of the guys in the current locker room. Oh, and that stiff arm on Shanle's face in the beginning of the game was priceless!
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10-02-2012, 07:00 AM	#18
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: OLB's - A sad day This past offseason... I believe we give Spagnuolo until the end of the season, at this point we're 0-4 so the point may be moot, though I hold out hope... But why not explore going to a true 3-4... The money we'd save on Will Smith and Sedrick Ellis alone would give us three very good defensive lineman, and possibly another linebacker... And we drafted Martez Wilson, who, when given the opportunity, evokes memories of what Pat Swilling was capable of doing...

10-02-2012, 07:03 AM	#19
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: OLB's - A sad day And just another thought... Why not have five down defensive lineman, two linebackers, and three cornerbacks and one free safety... If we can't get a pass rush then, with the DL having one-to-one, then ALL the DL should be cut immediately at the end of the season... blackangold likes this.

10-02-2012, 07:29 AM	#20
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Re: OLB's - A sad day Originally Posted by jeanpierre This past offseason... I believe we give Spagnuolo until the end of the season, at this point we're 0-4 so the point may be moot, though I hold out hope... But why not explore going to a true 3-4... The money we'd save on Will Smith and Sedrick Ellis alone would give us three very good defensive lineman, and possibly another linebacker... And we drafted Martez Wilson, who, when given the opportunity, evokes memories of what Pat Swilling was capable of doing... Originally Posted by jeanpierre And just another thought... Why not have five down defensive lineman, two linebackers, and three cornerbacks and one free safety... If we can't get a pass rush then, with the DL having one-to-one, then ALL the DL should be cut immediately at the end of the season... I brought up a 3-4 before and was laughed out of the forums for wanting to switch from something that was not working and too complicated for this year to something that made sense. As for as for 5 down and two LB... That's the opposite direction I think we should go in. Here is my reasoning... Putting Shanle on the line is the equivalent of having only 4 down linemen and making Shanle one of two LB means you have 1 LB. If we are not going to stop the run at the line and cant get pressure we need 4 LBs and at least we can keep them to 2-3 yards per carry while being able to cover the dink/dunk passes.
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