SaintsBro

So here's another question to choose from: would you rather be 13-3 and have a late 1st round defensive pick who doesn't meet "expectations," or would you rather have a 4-12 record for the next couple years running and pick up a Suh, Albert Haynesworth, Demarcus Ware, Revis style MONSTER playmaker on defense, every year for a couple of years, to build up a dominant Dome Patrol style defense?

Danno

Record does not equal draft success.

Irrelevant question.

SaintsBro

But record equals where you pick in the draft, in the first round, so -- I would think it would be kinda somewhat relevant. Since teams with bad records get to pick a bunch of players before teams with good records from the year before, get to pick theirs.

Danno

Your question assumes if you have an early pick, it'll meet expecations and if your team succeeds, your late pick won't meet expectations.

SaintsBro

Well the question assumes that in any given year there are not an endless supply of MONSTER playmaking defensive players available in the world, if that's what a team is looking for, so yes. Do Aldon Smith's grow on trees? If the order that teams pick in makes NO difference, then why do they even bother to have an order. I'm not even talking about teams who routinely make crappy picks when they're in the top of the high rounds, that don't meet expectations, or teams who find gems in the bottom of the first rounds, I get all that.

I'm mainly aiming this at the people on here who want every defensive pick the Saints ever make to turn out like a Ndamukong Suh or Aldon Smith or Demarcus Ware. Players like that don't grow on trees or hang around the parking lot at Home Depot where you can just scoop one up.

Danno

OK, I'd rather have huge succes with picks that don't meet expectations over a crappy team who has picks that meet expectations.

Am I missing something?

TheOak

Ill end this debate real quick.

JaMarcus Russell

FinSaint

As a whole, the Saints' scouting department hasn't really wowed me in recent years. While they do pick up serviceable players on their higher rounds, like Danno pointed out earlier - and I do agree with that list he posted - they haven't been able to pick up guys who would've made a big impact on the defensive side of the ball.

Now, I don't know what the make up of the scouting department is exactly - and don't care to know for that matter - but it seems to me that they've had more success in picking up quality players on the latter rounds of the draft and as UDFA than they've had with the higher round picks, relatively speaking of course.

Maybe Spags will be able to get across to the scouting department what type of players he is looking for and needs in order to make his scheme work, and hopefully that'll result in more successful defensive picks in the coming drafts - because I do hope that Spags will be the DC for the Saints for many seasons to come.

"I'm not bashing people, I'm bashing their opinions because in my opinion their opinion is wrong" - Danno

skymike

ask the '80 Raiders, the '79 Rams, and the '05 Steelers that question.

FinSaint

...but, wouldn't you need a time machine for that..?