Whats wrong with Mark Ingram / Reggie Bush In Our System ( Visual Proof )

TheOak · 10-02-2012, 08:08 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

I'm amazed that anyone can look at our games this year and conclude that Ingram is the problem.

I don't even think its our system. Its our O-line. Plain and simple, they don't run block well at all.

Put Ingram behind that 49er O-line and he's a 1,000 yard back easily.

I believe in Ingram... but you can expect this reply if it is just the O-Line...

PT can do it.

Budsdrinker · 10-02-2012, 08:17 AM

Originally Posted by x626xBlack

I believe in Ingram... but you can expect this reply if it is just the O-Line...

PT can do it.

The difference like someone else pointed out is when PT is in they have to respect the screen pass, when Ingram is in 99% of the time it's a run up the gut and defenses know this.

TheOak · 10-02-2012, 08:19 AM

Originally Posted by Budsdrinker

The difference like someone else pointed out is when PT is in they have to respect the screen pass, when Ingram is in 99% of the time it's a run up the gut and defenses know this.

Which I have stated in this thread... And many others... I even posted the stats last week proving it...

Info coming round full circle, at least I know my posts are being read LOL.

Budsdrinker · 10-02-2012, 08:24 AM

Originally Posted by x626xBlack

Which I have stated in this thread... And many others... I even posted the stats last week proving it...

Info coming round full circle, at least I know my posts are being read LOL.

I read everybody's comments, just sometimes I forget who posts them and too lazy to go back to give them the credit but you know who you are!

TheOak · 10-02-2012, 08:26 AM

Originally Posted by Budsdrinker

I read everybody's comments, just sometimes I forget who posts them and too lazy to go back to give them the credit but you know who you are!

Trust me.. I understand

9thWardDesire · 10-05-2012, 01:07 PM

Originally Posted by Budsdrinker

The difference like someone else pointed out is when PT is in they have to respect the screen pass, when Ingram is in 99% of the time it's a run up the gut and defenses know this.

The same can be said about Ivory when he's in. Defenses KNOW it's a run....

Danno · 10-02-2012, 08:26 AM

Originally Posted by x626xBlack

I believe in Ingram... but you can expect this reply if it is just the O-Line...

PT can do it.

Last two games combined...

Ingram - 10 carries, 22 yards 2.2 average
Pierre - 15 carries, 25 yards, 1.8 average

And as others have said, PT is one of the best RB's in the entire league. And Pierre is used more as a receiver and also on passing downs. PT doesn't face as many 8 man fronts as Ingram does.

TheOak · 10-02-2012, 08:28 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

Last two games combined...

Ingram - 10 carries, 22 yards 2.2 average
Pierre - 15 carries, 25 yards, 1.8 average

And as others have said, PT is one of the best RB's in the entire league. And Pierre is used more as a receiver and also on passing downs. PT doesn't face as many 8 man fronts as Ingram does.

Ill flip it on you. Pierre is not put in to face as many 8 man fronts as Ingram is

Danno · 10-02-2012, 08:30 AM

Originally Posted by x626xBlack

Ill flip it on you. Pierre is not put in to face as many 8 man fronts as Ingram is

I like your wording better.

halloween 65 · 10-07-2012, 07:29 AM

Originally Posted by x626xBlack

Ill flip it on you. Pierre is not put in to face as many 8 man fronts as Ingram is

O.K. Pierre is not, but Ivory is and gets more yds than Ingram so why is Ingram starting over Ivory. I like Ingram but sometimes when the D gives you nothing you have to take it on yourself to create something, I don't see that in Ingram even if he was in the 49ers backfield, now Ivory in the 49ers backfield a pro bowler. Heart goes a long way. I wanted Leshoure over Ingram a Chuck Muncie style of runner he fits uor system much better than Ingram. Ingram in the Giants backfield{more balanced} 1200yds every year, unless we become a running team Ingram yds just aint' going to be there, so if someone says he was a waisted pick I would agree but if someone says he is a bust I would dissagee, miscast is what Mark Ingram is.

10-02-2012, 08:08 AM	#1
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,039	Re: Whats wrong with Mark Ingram / Reggie Bush In Our System ( Visual Proof ) Originally Posted by Danno I'm amazed that anyone can look at our games this year and conclude that Ingram is the problem. I don't even think its our system. Its our O-line. Plain and simple, they don't run block well at all. Put Ingram behind that 49er O-line and he's a 1,000 yard back easily. I believe in Ingram... but you can expect this reply if it is just the O-Line... PT can do it. CharityMike likes this.

10-02-2012, 08:17 AM	#2
Budsdrinker A Cajun Transforming TX Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Woodlands, Texas Posts: 2,787	Re: Whats wrong with Mark Ingram / Reggie Bush In Our System ( Visual Proof ) Originally Posted by x626xBlack I believe in Ingram... but you can expect this reply if it is just the O-Line... PT can do it. The difference like someone else pointed out is when PT is in they have to respect the screen pass, when Ingram is in 99% of the time it's a run up the gut and defenses know this.

10-02-2012, 08:19 AM	#3
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,039	Re: Whats wrong with Mark Ingram / Reggie Bush In Our System ( Visual Proof ) Originally Posted by Budsdrinker The difference like someone else pointed out is when PT is in they have to respect the screen pass, when Ingram is in 99% of the time it's a run up the gut and defenses know this. Which I have stated in this thread... And many others... I even posted the stats last week proving it... Info coming round full circle, at least I know my posts are being read LOL.

10-02-2012, 08:24 AM	#4
Budsdrinker A Cajun Transforming TX Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Woodlands, Texas Posts: 2,787	Re: Whats wrong with Mark Ingram / Reggie Bush In Our System ( Visual Proof ) Originally Posted by x626xBlack Which I have stated in this thread... And many others... I even posted the stats last week proving it... Info coming round full circle, at least I know my posts are being read LOL. I read everybody's comments, just sometimes I forget who posts them and too lazy to go back to give them the credit but you know who you are! SaintsBro likes this.

10-02-2012, 08:26 AM	#5
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,039	Re: Whats wrong with Mark Ingram / Reggie Bush In Our System ( Visual Proof ) Originally Posted by Budsdrinker I read everybody's comments, just sometimes I forget who posts them and too lazy to go back to give them the credit but you know who you are! Trust me.. I understand

10-05-2012, 01:07 PM	#6
9thWardDesire The Owner Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: New Orleans, LA (10/1/13) Posts: 791	Re: Whats wrong with Mark Ingram / Reggie Bush In Our System ( Visual Proof ) Originally Posted by Budsdrinker The difference like someone else pointed out is when PT is in they have to respect the screen pass, when Ingram is in 99% of the time it's a run up the gut and defenses know this. The same can be said about Ivory when he's in. Defenses KNOW it's a run.... Rell&Gold likes this.

10-02-2012, 08:26 AM	#7
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,748	Re: Whats wrong with Mark Ingram / Reggie Bush In Our System ( Visual Proof ) Originally Posted by x626xBlack I believe in Ingram... but you can expect this reply if it is just the O-Line... PT can do it. Last two games combined... Ingram - 10 carries, 22 yards 2.2 average Pierre - 15 carries, 25 yards, 1.8 average And as others have said, PT is one of the best RB's in the entire league. And Pierre is used more as a receiver and also on passing downs. PT doesn't face as many 8 man fronts as Ingram does.

10-02-2012, 08:28 AM	#8
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,039	Re: Whats wrong with Mark Ingram / Reggie Bush In Our System ( Visual Proof ) Originally Posted by Danno Last two games combined... Ingram - 10 carries, 22 yards 2.2 average Pierre - 15 carries, 25 yards, 1.8 average And as others have said, PT is one of the best RB's in the entire league. And Pierre is used more as a receiver and also on passing downs. PT doesn't face as many 8 man fronts as Ingram does. Ill flip it on you. Pierre is not put in to face as many 8 man fronts as Ingram is

10-02-2012, 08:30 AM	#9
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,748	Re: Whats wrong with Mark Ingram / Reggie Bush In Our System ( Visual Proof ) Originally Posted by x626xBlack Ill flip it on you. Pierre is not put in to face as many 8 man fronts as Ingram is I like your wording better.

10-07-2012, 07:29 AM	#10
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Whats wrong with Mark Ingram / Reggie Bush In Our System ( Visual Proof ) Originally Posted by x626xBlack Ill flip it on you. Pierre is not put in to face as many 8 man fronts as Ingram is O.K. Pierre is not, but Ivory is and gets more yds than Ingram so why is Ingram starting over Ivory. I like Ingram but sometimes when the D gives you nothing you have to take it on yourself to create something, I don't see that in Ingram even if he was in the 49ers backfield, now Ivory in the 49ers backfield a pro bowler. Heart goes a long way. I wanted Leshoure over Ingram a Chuck Muncie style of runner he fits uor system much better than Ingram. Ingram in the Giants backfield{more balanced} 1200yds every year, unless we become a running team Ingram yds just aint' going to be there, so if someone says he was a waisted pick I would agree but if someone says he is a bust I would dissagee, miscast is what Mark Ingram is.

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