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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Pro-Bowl shouldn't be in this discussion. Give me Pierre Thomas and Darren Sproles who have never made a Pro Bowl over Pro Bowlers Ryan Matthews and Antonio Brown any day....

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Old 10-11-2012, 10:39 AM   #41
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Re: Saints First Round Picks Since 2002

Pro-Bowl shouldn't be in this discussion.

Give me Pierre Thomas and Darren Sproles who have never made a Pro Bowl over Pro Bowlers Ryan Matthews and Antonio Brown any day.
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Old 10-11-2012, 11:23 AM   #42
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I will acknowledge he's one of the better "cap-ologist" in the league - which makes me think he's dying over the Tom Condon Contract...
Why would he be "dying" over it? He is the one who DID it. He negotiated that deal, he wasn't suspended until Week 1, or did you not know that?
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Old 10-11-2012, 03:46 PM   #43
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Some people seem to forget that all they did was win us a Championship.

So I really don't care who they drafted.

This season is a wash... waiting for the return of Payton.
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Old 10-11-2012, 09:25 PM   #44
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre View Post
Not deflection, goes to the continuance of a mistake in bringing that guy into the organization...

Instead of acknowledging the mistake of drafting him he's offered an extension to make it look like he's invaluable to the team...Big Mistake...

Grant was a good DE for a season or two, and he was playing like a 1st rounder during that time-span, but he declined rapidly and just didn't have the mental side to make a lasting impact. While you can and do naturally take the mental side into consideration when scouting players, it's a much harder thing to get right than the physical prowess of a certain player, so it's hard to blame the scouting department for that.

Grant's extension was an overpayment for sure - given what we know now - and it was even more so damaging because it set a precedent for Will Smith to ask for an equally pricey extension when his turn came around... the contract he is on at the moment, although it was re-structured.

It's pretty much the same thing with that contract as happened with Jahri Evans and Carl Nicks - although Evans is on a completely different level than Grant and has earned his keep many times over - which basically set a precedent for Nicks that the Saints couldn't afford to pay him. And that is the one thing I criticize Loomis for: overpaying on extensions. Roman Harper is another example of this, and a definite overpayment. This is also why I was glad they let players like Meachem and Porter go elsewhere rather than overpaying them to stay.
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Old 10-11-2012, 11:38 PM   #45
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Grant was very good when he wanted to be. But those motivated periods became fewer and further between until he wasn't carrying his very substantial weight anymore.
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Why would he be "dying" over it? He is the one who DID it. He negotiated that deal, he wasn't suspended until Week 1, or did you not know that?
He was dying over committing that much money to one player...

And, yeah, I've been keeping up with the Saints and the bounty thing...
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Grant was a good DE for a season or two, and he was playing like a 1st rounder during that time-span, but he declined rapidly and just didn't have the mental side to make a lasting impact. While you can and do naturally take the mental side into consideration when scouting players, it's a much harder thing to get right than the physical prowess of a certain player, so it's hard to blame the scouting department for that.

Grant's extension was an overpayment for sure - given what we know now - and it was even more so damaging because it set a precedent for Will Smith to ask for an equally pricey extension when his turn came around... the contract he is on at the moment, although it was re-structured.

It's pretty much the same thing with that contract as happened with Jahri Evans and Carl Nicks - although Evans is on a completely different level than Grant and has earned his keep many times over - which basically set a precedent for Nicks that the Saints couldn't afford to pay him. And that is the one thing I criticize Loomis for: overpaying on extensions. Roman Harper is another example of this, and a definite overpayment. This is also why I was glad they let players like Meachem and Porter go elsewhere rather than overpaying them to stay.
And maybe there was a lesson from the Grant signing, aside from the fact there wasn't going to be much money left from the Brees signing, maybe they looked at Nicks as a guy who was going to put out after the Big Mo...
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