Saints First Round Picks Since 2002

Danno · 10-07-2012, 05:00 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

I think his point was more geared on the fact we think Loomis is amazing because of the deep reaches that have come through, but the reality is we have had opportunities to take amazing players in the 1st round and passed up on them.

That would be fine, except thats not what he said, and its not what I was responding to.

Two strikes on one pitch. Awesome... or not.

blackangold · 10-07-2012, 05:02 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

That would be fine, except thats not what he said, and its not what I was responding to.

Two strikes on one pitch. Awesome... or not.

Not sure what your responding to then...

cheers

Danno · 10-07-2012, 05:11 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

Not sure what your responding to then...

cheers

On 2nd tought, you have a valid counter-point.

12 picks and only 1 pro-bowler - Not outstanding

but

12 picks and only 1 bust - Outstanding

And I thought Smith and Grant made it one year as alternates?

blackangold · 10-07-2012, 05:16 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

On 2nd tought, you have a valid counter-point.

12 picks and only 1 pro-bowler - Not outstanding

but

12 picks and only 1 bust - Outstanding

And I thought Smith and Grant made it one year as alternates?

They may have... can't remember too well.

Not saying Loomis is crap, his contract organization is outstanding. Maybe he needs some new scouts out there giving him better advice during the draft.

Hey Loomis PM me bud, I'll help you out

9thWardDesire · 10-07-2012, 07:11 PM

Originally Posted by jcp026

Stallworth = Awful
Grant = Awful
Sullivan = One of the worst picks ever.
Smith = Solid
Brown = Solid
Bush = Got a ring in N.O., but produces more in MIA
Meachem = Not great.
Ellis = Hasn't been great.
Jenkins, Robinson, Jordan, and Ingram = Jury is still out.

Stallworth = Runs people over
Grant = Oversized Flavor Flav
Sullivan = "BFI" (Don't have to tell you what that means)
Smith = Stud
Brown = Stud
Bush = Inherited a crouded backfield that got even more crowded
Meachem = I'ight
Ellis = Waste
The other four = (Just as jcp026 said....)

TheEnigma · 10-07-2012, 08:55 PM

All terrible except for Will Smith, who is decent.

voodooido · 10-08-2012, 10:01 AM

Originally Posted by jcp026

Stallworth = Awful
Grant = Awful
Sullivan = One of the worst picks ever.
Smith = Solid
Brown = Solid
Bush = Got a ring in N.O., but produces more in MIA
Meachem = Not great.
Ellis = Hasn't been great.
Jenkins, Robinson, Jordan, and Ingram = Jury is still out.

I can agree with most but Grant? Grant was a solid DE for us.

TheOak · 10-08-2012, 10:23 AM

Loomis gets the Golden Rod award by nature of trickle down effect.

Loomis
Brought in Payton

Payton
Brought in Brees/Graham/Colston/Moore/P. Thomas... Payton has had a huge say in all drafts and personnel since 2006. It is his team to build.

Brees
Brought in Sproles, did the development on Graham... Camarillo yet to be determined

Argue all you want.... It is what it is.

jeanpierre · 10-11-2012, 09:04 AM

Originally Posted by blackangold

They may have... can't remember too well.

Not saying Loomis is crap, his contract organization is outstanding. Maybe he needs some new scouts out there giving him better advice during the draft.

Hey Loomis PM me bud, I'll help you out

And it's the talent acquisitions and assessments that's made me draw the conclusion that Loomis and football mgt staff was overrated...

I will acknowledge he's one of the better "cap-ologist" in the league - which makes me think he's dying over the Tom Condon Contract...

But the talent evaluations and value assessments are not on par with our coaching...

TheOak · 10-11-2012, 09:39 AM

Pro-Bowl shouldn't be in this discussion.

Give me Pierre Thomas and Darren Sproles who have never made a Pro Bowl over Pro Bowlers Ryan Matthews and Antonio Brown any day.

10-07-2012, 05:00 PM	#31
Danno Site Donor 2014 Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,447	Re: Saints First Round Picks Since 2002 Originally Posted by blackangold I think his point was more geared on the fact we think Loomis is amazing because of the deep reaches that have come through, but the reality is we have had opportunities to take amazing players in the 1st round and passed up on them. That would be fine, except thats not what he said, and its not what I was responding to. Two strikes on one pitch. Awesome... or not.

10-07-2012, 05:02 PM	#32
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,330	Re: Saints First Round Picks Since 2002 Originally Posted by Danno That would be fine, except thats not what he said, and its not what I was responding to. Two strikes on one pitch. Awesome... or not. Not sure what your responding to then... cheers

10-07-2012, 05:11 PM	#33
Danno Site Donor 2014 Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,447	Re: Saints First Round Picks Since 2002 Originally Posted by blackangold Not sure what your responding to then... cheers On 2nd tought, you have a valid counter-point. 12 picks and only 1 pro-bowler - Not outstanding but 12 picks and only 1 bust - Outstanding And I thought Smith and Grant made it one year as alternates?

10-07-2012, 05:16 PM	#34
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,330	Re: Saints First Round Picks Since 2002 Originally Posted by Danno On 2nd tought, you have a valid counter-point. 12 picks and only 1 pro-bowler - Not outstanding but 12 picks and only 1 bust - Outstanding And I thought Smith and Grant made it one year as alternates? They may have... can't remember too well. Not saying Loomis is crap, his contract organization is outstanding. Maybe he needs some new scouts out there giving him better advice during the draft. Hey Loomis PM me bud, I'll help you out

10-07-2012, 07:11 PM	#35
9thWardDesire The Owner Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: New Orleans, LA (10/1/13) Posts: 791	Re: Saints First Round Picks Since 2002 Originally Posted by jcp026 Stallworth = Awful Grant = Awful Sullivan = One of the worst picks ever. Smith = Solid Brown = Solid Bush = Got a ring in N.O., but produces more in MIA Meachem = Not great. Ellis = Hasn't been great. Jenkins, Robinson, Jordan, and Ingram = Jury is still out. Stallworth = Runs people over Grant = Oversized Flavor Flav Sullivan = "BFI" (Don't have to tell you what that means) Smith = Stud Brown = Stud Bush = Inherited a crouded backfield that got even more crowded Meachem = I'ight Ellis = Waste The other four = (Just as jcp026 said....)

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voodooido 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2,498	Re: Saints First Round Picks Since 2002 Originally Posted by jcp026 Stallworth = Awful Grant = Awful Sullivan = One of the worst picks ever. Smith = Solid Brown = Solid Bush = Got a ring in N.O., but produces more in MIA Meachem = Not great. Ellis = Hasn't been great. Jenkins, Robinson, Jordan, and Ingram = Jury is still out. I can agree with most but Grant? Grant was a solid DE for us.
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10-08-2012, 10:23 AM	#38
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 18,383	Re: Saints First Round Picks Since 2002 Loomis gets the Golden Rod award by nature of trickle down effect. Loomis Brought in Payton Payton Brought in Brees/Graham/Colston/Moore/P. Thomas... Payton has had a huge say in all drafts and personnel since 2006. It is his team to build. Brees Brought in Sproles, did the development on Graham... Camarillo yet to be determined Argue all you want.... It is what it is.

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jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 37,372 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Saints First Round Picks Since 2002 Originally Posted by blackangold They may have... can't remember too well. Not saying Loomis is crap, his contract organization is outstanding. Maybe he needs some new scouts out there giving him better advice during the draft. Hey Loomis PM me bud, I'll help you out And it's the talent acquisitions and assessments that's made me draw the conclusion that Loomis and football mgt staff was overrated... I will acknowledge he's one of the better "cap-ologist" in the league - which makes me think he's dying over the Tom Condon Contract... But the talent evaluations and value assessments are not on par with our coaching...

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TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 18,383	Re: Saints First Round Picks Since 2002 Pro-Bowl shouldn't be in this discussion. Give me Pierre Thomas and Darren Sproles who have never made a Pro Bowl over Pro Bowlers Ryan Matthews and Antonio Brown any day. saintfan likes this.

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