Calvin Johnson Type Dreams ...

TheOak · 10-09-2012, 06:34 AM

Calvin Johnson, Terrell Owens, Randy Moss, type receivers are not Drew Brees type receivers. Those are play making opportunity type WRs.
E.G. Go out past the swingset and I will throw the ball so you can make a play. Those are big play receivers.

Drew is a QB that will make receivers that run strict routs and have excellent timing look great. He is an accurate timing QB. E.G. 10 yards cut left at 45 degrees the ball is released in 2.4 seconds and its nearly impossible to defend.

The Brees/Brady/Manning QBs thrive on "the ball will be delivered at x in 2.7 seconds, you better be there". Not "get open and I will throw it to you."

Having one on the team wouldn't be bad but that is not our bread and butter.

SloMotion · 10-09-2012, 06:40 AM

Originally Posted by x626xBlack

Calvin Johnson, Terrell Owens, Randy Moss, type receivers are not Drew Brees type receivers. Those are play making opportunity type WRs.
E.G. Go out past the swingset and I will throw the ball so you can make a play. Those are big play receivers.

Drew is a QB that will make receivers that run strict routs and have excellent timing look great. He is an accurate timing QB. E.G. 10 yards cut left at 45 degrees the ball is released in 2.4 seconds and its nearly impossible to defend.

The Brees/Brady/Manning QBs thrive on "the ball will be delivered at x in 2.7 seconds, you better be there". Not "get open and I will throw it to you."

Having one on the team wouldn't be bad but that is not our bread and butter.

Good point and something to consider when the inevitable, "Does the QB make the Receiver or does the Receiver make the QB" argument comes up.

TheOak · 10-09-2012, 06:48 AM

Originally Posted by SloMotion

Good point and something to consider when the inevitable, "Does the QB make the Receiver or does the Receiver make the QB" argument comes up.

That discussion is never really played out like it should be. It is very much dependent on which QB and which Receiver.

Dallas is the perfect example of a lot of things.. Most importantly that a good team on paper does not mean they will work together like they should or be a good match.

SloMotion · 10-09-2012, 07:06 AM

Originally Posted by x626xBlack

That discussion is never really played out like it should be. It is very much dependent on which QB and which Receiver.

Dallas is the perfect example of a lot of things.. Most importantly that a good team on paper does not mean they will work together like they should or be a good match.

I see that now because I've never broke it down quite like that. Complicates the discussion, but in a good way,

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TheOak · 10-09-2012, 07:10 AM

Originally Posted by SloMotion

I see that now because I've never broke it down quite like that. Complicates the discussion, but in a good way, .

It makes it an actual discussion and not just a statement in absolutes.

SaintsBro · 10-09-2012, 10:52 AM

Originally Posted by x626xBlack

E.G. Go out past the swingset and I will throw the ball so you can make a play. Those are big play receivers.

Matt Ryan throwing to Julio is a perfect example of this. Watch some of those highlights of their deep ball. More than half the time Ryan is chucking it high up in the air, in an arc, and Julio just sorta runs to get underneath it, like a kick return. Or Roddy White will push off his man and then catch it all alone like a baseball outfielder. It looks completely apples-and-oranges different from a Brees deep ball.

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TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,043	Re: Calvin Johnson Type Dreams ... Calvin Johnson, Terrell Owens, Randy Moss, type receivers are not Drew Brees type receivers. Those are play making opportunity type WRs. E.G. Go out past the swingset and I will throw the ball so you can make a play. Those are big play receivers. Drew is a QB that will make receivers that run strict routs and have excellent timing look great. He is an accurate timing QB. E.G. 10 yards cut left at 45 degrees the ball is released in 2.4 seconds and its nearly impossible to defend. The Brees/Brady/Manning QBs thrive on "the ball will be delivered at x in 2.7 seconds, you better be there". Not "get open and I will throw it to you." Having one on the team wouldn't be bad but that is not our bread and butter.
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10-09-2012, 06:40 AM	#2
SloMotion 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 6,776 Blog Entries: 15	Re: Calvin Johnson Type Dreams ... Originally Posted by x626xBlack Calvin Johnson, Terrell Owens, Randy Moss, type receivers are not Drew Brees type receivers. Those are play making opportunity type WRs. E.G. Go out past the swingset and I will throw the ball so you can make a play. Those are big play receivers. Drew is a QB that will make receivers that run strict routs and have excellent timing look great. He is an accurate timing QB. E.G. 10 yards cut left at 45 degrees the ball is released in 2.4 seconds and its nearly impossible to defend. The Brees/Brady/Manning QBs thrive on "the ball will be delivered at x in 2.7 seconds, you better be there". Not "get open and I will throw it to you." Having one on the team wouldn't be bad but that is not our bread and butter. Good point and something to consider when the inevitable, "Does the QB make the Receiver or does the Receiver make the QB" argument comes up.

10-09-2012, 06:48 AM	#3
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,043	Re: Calvin Johnson Type Dreams ... Originally Posted by SloMotion Good point and something to consider when the inevitable, "Does the QB make the Receiver or does the Receiver make the QB" argument comes up. That discussion is never really played out like it should be. It is very much dependent on which QB and which Receiver. Dallas is the perfect example of a lot of things.. Most importantly that a good team on paper does not mean they will work together like they should or be a good match.

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SloMotion 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 6,776 Blog Entries: 15	Re: Calvin Johnson Type Dreams ... Originally Posted by x626xBlack That discussion is never really played out like it should be. It is very much dependent on which QB and which Receiver. Dallas is the perfect example of a lot of things.. Most importantly that a good team on paper does not mean they will work together like they should or be a good match. I see that now because I've never broke it down quite like that. Complicates the discussion, but in a good way, .

10-09-2012, 07:10 AM	#5
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,043	Re: Calvin Johnson Type Dreams ... Originally Posted by SloMotion I see that now because I've never broke it down quite like that. Complicates the discussion, but in a good way, . It makes it an actual discussion and not just a statement in absolutes.

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SaintsBro Site Donor Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: in line with my ridiculous CLEAR PLASTIC BAG Posts: 3,650 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Calvin Johnson Type Dreams ... Originally Posted by x626xBlack E.G. Go out past the swingset and I will throw the ball so you can make a play. Those are big play receivers. Matt Ryan throwing to Julio is a perfect example of this. Watch some of those highlights of their deep ball. More than half the time Ryan is chucking it high up in the air, in an arc, and Julio just sorta runs to get underneath it, like a kick return. Or Roddy White will push off his man and then catch it all alone like a baseball outfielder. It looks completely apples-and-oranges different from a Brees deep ball.

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