Defense Gradually getting better

TheOak · 10-08-2012, 12:48 PM

Originally Posted by Halo

I think Spags saw his career and reputation going down the toilet so he threw the proverbial "Kitchen Sink" at the issue:

I saw different formations and players at different positions throughout the game

We ran more blitz in the game and looked similar to last year's defense

Cory White probably started because Jabari Greer was screwing up at CB in practice this week

Spags was livid on the sidelines the entire game and appears to have lost his patience with this group

Finally in the 4th quarter, with the combination of Wilson and Gallette at both ends, I do not remember the exact defensive backfield personnel, but something happened

Spags threw "the book" at "it" including techniques and personnel.
YES I did see d-linemen spinning off the line to break free to get pressure on Rivers. I give props to the defense for trying just about anything LIVE, in-game, to determine what WORKS for them.

Finally, yes the defense had awful moments too, but I've only seen improvement from 1st two games of the season.

Intangibles like "bad play-calling" and "borderline calls" -- I would argue some other "borderline calls" like hands to the face on Wilson in the 4th, and others, KEPT drives alive for the Chargers. I accept those as part of the game now that we have the regular refs back.

Spags started doing what we have done for the last 3 years... Confuse the sh1t out of the offense. Sadly it confused the sh1t out of our defense weeks 1-4.

nicebush25 · 10-08-2012, 01:02 PM

The defense has averaged 456 yds/gm Last night they allowed 427, which means they are still ranked 32nd in yards allowed. They did get better with points allowed. Holding the chargers to 24 pts allowed them to move into 29th averaging 30.8 pts/gm

TheOak · 10-08-2012, 01:06 PM

Do we care if anyone runs up and down the field... Not much. As long as they are not getting into the endzone I really dont care.

I dont look at yards allowed much. I focus more on turnover ratio/ points allowed/ sacks, and 3rd down %.

Rugby Saint II · 10-08-2012, 01:37 PM

Originally Posted by x626xBlack

Do we care if anyone runs up and down the field... Not much. As long as they are not getting into the endzone I really dont care.

I dont look at yards allowed much. I focus more on turnover ratio/ points allowed/ sacks, and 3rd down %.

This is what I'm talking about. Even though I hate to see opponents gashing us in the middle of the field.

saintfan · 10-08-2012, 02:23 PM

Nobody has been harder on the defense than me.

Last night we gave up, what 354 yards passing? 80 Rushing? Some questionable calls or Rivers would have been OVER 400 yards passing people. That's not good.

Still, we were able to get some stops - and some without the help of questionable penalties.

"Gradually"? Okay. I'll go with that. Our defense has a LONG way to go, but I'll take "gradually" over nothing at all. My expectations are truly that low these days.

Seer1 · 10-08-2012, 02:37 PM

They'd have looked really good without the first down and third and long plays added in. Still plenty of season left though, c'mon D you can do it!

TheOak · 10-08-2012, 02:40 PM

Our Red Zone efficiency is 59%. 14th in the league.
last year we were a whole 2% better

Red Zone scoring attempts per game 4.4 3oth in the league.

So we met them get there horribly but stop them better than 1/2 of the league

winmill1 · 10-08-2012, 04:16 PM

Spags will figure out whats best and I think that it is Gallette and Wilson on the outside.

Jamessr · 10-08-2012, 04:23 PM

I saw a hugh change from week 1. I'm not satisfied but ATM I'm content.
I'm still waiting for that one week that the defense will wake up and just maul the offense. I really liked the last 2 mins... Defense did thier job!

saintfan · 10-08-2012, 04:23 PM

Originally Posted by x626xBlack

Do we care if anyone runs up and down the field... Not much. As long as they are not getting into the endzone I really dont care.

I dont look at yards allowed much. I focus more on turnover ratio/ points allowed/ sacks, and 3rd down %.

Yes. We do. Because field position IS important. Shutting someone down, even if only every now and then, has a huge impact on momentum. Our offense can overcome bad field position, but that doesn't mean it isn't important.

10-08-2012, 12:48 PM	#11
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,027	Re: Defense Gradually getting better Originally Posted by Halo I think Spags saw his career and reputation going down the toilet so he threw the proverbial "Kitchen Sink" at the issue: I saw different formations and players at different positions throughout the game We ran more blitz in the game and looked similar to last year's defense Cory White probably started because Jabari Greer was screwing up at CB in practice this week Spags was livid on the sidelines the entire game and appears to have lost his patience with this group Finally in the 4th quarter, with the combination of Wilson and Gallette at both ends, I do not remember the exact defensive backfield personnel, but something happened Spags threw "the book" at "it" including techniques and personnel. YES I did see d-linemen spinning off the line to break free to get pressure on Rivers. I give props to the defense for trying just about anything LIVE, in-game, to determine what WORKS for them. Finally, yes the defense had awful moments too, but I've only seen improvement from 1st two games of the season. Intangibles like "bad play-calling" and "borderline calls" -- I would argue some other "borderline calls" like hands to the face on Wilson in the 4th, and others, KEPT drives alive for the Chargers. I accept those as part of the game now that we have the regular refs back. Spags started doing what we have done for the last 3 years... Confuse the sh1t out of the offense. Sadly it confused the sh1t out of our defense weeks 1-4.

10-08-2012, 01:02 PM	#12
nicebush25 lightly scented Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Upstate New York Posts: 142	Re: Defense Gradually getting better The defense has averaged 456 yds/gm Last night they allowed 427, which means they are still ranked 32nd in yards allowed. They did get better with points allowed. Holding the chargers to 24 pts allowed them to move into 29th averaging 30.8 pts/gm

10-08-2012, 01:06 PM	#13
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,027	Re: Defense Gradually getting better Do we care if anyone runs up and down the field... Not much. As long as they are not getting into the endzone I really dont care. I dont look at yards allowed much. I focus more on turnover ratio/ points allowed/ sacks, and 3rd down %.

10-08-2012, 01:37 PM	#14
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,073	Re: Defense Gradually getting better Originally Posted by x626xBlack Do we care if anyone runs up and down the field... Not much. As long as they are not getting into the endzone I really dont care. I dont look at yards allowed much. I focus more on turnover ratio/ points allowed/ sacks, and 3rd down %. This is what I'm talking about. Even though I hate to see opponents gashing us in the middle of the field.

10-08-2012, 02:23 PM	#15
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Defense Gradually getting better Nobody has been harder on the defense than me. Last night we gave up, what 354 yards passing? 80 Rushing? Some questionable calls or Rivers would have been OVER 400 yards passing people. That's not good. Still, we were able to get some stops - and some without the help of questionable penalties. "Gradually"? Okay. I'll go with that. Our defense has a LONG way to go, but I'll take "gradually" over nothing at all. My expectations are truly that low these days.

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10-08-2012, 02:37 PM	#16
Seer1 Site Donor Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Bayou Bayfield CO Posts: 4,722	Re: Defense Gradually getting better They'd have looked really good without the first down and third and long plays added in. Still plenty of season left though, c'mon D you can do it!

10-08-2012, 02:40 PM	#17
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,027	Re: Defense Gradually getting better Our Red Zone efficiency is 59%. 14th in the league. last year we were a whole 2% better Red Zone scoring attempts per game 4.4 3oth in the league. So we met them get there horribly but stop them better than 1/2 of the league

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winmill1 100th Post Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 426	Re: Defense Gradually getting better Spags will figure out whats best and I think that it is Gallette and Wilson on the outside. Jamessr likes this.
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10-08-2012, 04:23 PM	#19
Jamessr 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Newport News, VA Posts: 1,583	Re: Defense Gradually getting better I saw a hugh change from week 1. I'm not satisfied but ATM I'm content. I'm still waiting for that one week that the defense will wake up and just maul the offense. I really liked the last 2 mins... Defense did thier job!

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