Defense Gradually getting better

SaintsBro · 10-08-2012, 10:31 AM

Originally Posted by BIGEASY504

With better front 7 play Robinson and Greer will look like all pros; work is still needed but the pressure didn’t come entirely from the front 4 like Spags want once he sent the blitz the swag picked up. I hope we can build from this and keep this going

Yup, right on, and Halo's comment too... I have nothing bad to say about Spags' "system" but I was kind of waiting for this moment, of "hey, this isn't working" and maybe seeing some adjustments made to the "Spags system" to fit it with the people we have RIGHT NOW THIS YEAR -- blitzing more, using Roman Harper as Roman Harper, throwing some unknown variables in, and maybe doing some artificial things to get pressure, instead of this hopeless anemic non-push from the front 4.

I know that pressure from the front 4 is supposed to be Spags' "big thing" but it was just not happening because of the people we have right now. I am not 100% sure what's going on out there, but it feels to me like that is what's happening, what Halo is saying -- that he is adjusting stuff to suit the people we have, and maybe doing a few things from last year's defense that guys know and are used to.

nicebush25 · 10-08-2012, 12:02 PM

The defense has averaged 456 yds/gm Last night they allowed 427, which means they are still ranked 32nd in yards allowed. They did get better with points allowed. Holding the chargers to 24 pts allowed them to move into 29th averaging 30.8 pts/gm

TheOak · 10-08-2012, 12:06 PM

Do we care if anyone runs up and down the field... Not much. As long as they are not getting into the endzone I really dont care.

I dont look at yards allowed much. I focus more on turnover ratio/ points allowed/ sacks, and 3rd down %.

Rugby Saint II · 10-08-2012, 12:37 PM

Originally Posted by x626xBlack

Do we care if anyone runs up and down the field... Not much. As long as they are not getting into the endzone I really dont care.

I dont look at yards allowed much. I focus more on turnover ratio/ points allowed/ sacks, and 3rd down %.

This is what I'm talking about. Even though I hate to see opponents gashing us in the middle of the field.

saintfan · 10-08-2012, 03:23 PM

Originally Posted by x626xBlack

Do we care if anyone runs up and down the field... Not much. As long as they are not getting into the endzone I really dont care.

I dont look at yards allowed much. I focus more on turnover ratio/ points allowed/ sacks, and 3rd down %.

Yes. We do. Because field position IS important. Shutting someone down, even if only every now and then, has a huge impact on momentum. Our offense can overcome bad field position, but that doesn't mean it isn't important.

saintfan · 10-08-2012, 01:23 PM

Nobody has been harder on the defense than me.

Last night we gave up, what 354 yards passing? 80 Rushing? Some questionable calls or Rivers would have been OVER 400 yards passing people. That's not good.

Still, we were able to get some stops - and some without the help of questionable penalties.

"Gradually"? Okay. I'll go with that. Our defense has a LONG way to go, but I'll take "gradually" over nothing at all. My expectations are truly that low these days.

Seer1 · 10-08-2012, 01:37 PM

They'd have looked really good without the first down and third and long plays added in. Still plenty of season left though, c'mon D you can do it!

TheOak · 10-08-2012, 01:40 PM

Our Red Zone efficiency is 59%. 14th in the league.
last year we were a whole 2% better

Red Zone scoring attempts per game 4.4 3oth in the league.

So we met them get there horribly but stop them better than 1/2 of the league

winmill1 · 10-08-2012, 03:16 PM

Spags will figure out whats best and I think that it is Gallette and Wilson on the outside.

Jamessr · 10-08-2012, 03:24 PM

Originally Posted by winmill1

Spags will figure out whats best and I think that it is Gallette and Wilson on the outside.

Agreed
but what happenes to Smith? Maybe I don't know jack but from his play performance I could care less

10-08-2012, 10:31 AM	#1
SaintsBro Site Donor Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: in line with my ridiculous CLEAR PLASTIC BAG Posts: 3,650 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Defense Gradually getting better Originally Posted by BIGEASY504 With better front 7 play Robinson and Greer will look like all pros; work is still needed but the pressure didn’t come entirely from the front 4 like Spags want once he sent the blitz the swag picked up. I hope we can build from this and keep this going Yup, right on, and Halo's comment too... I have nothing bad to say about Spags' "system" but I was kind of waiting for this moment, of "hey, this isn't working" and maybe seeing some adjustments made to the "Spags system" to fit it with the people we have RIGHT NOW THIS YEAR -- blitzing more, using Roman Harper as Roman Harper, throwing some unknown variables in, and maybe doing some artificial things to get pressure, instead of this hopeless anemic non-push from the front 4. I know that pressure from the front 4 is supposed to be Spags' "big thing" but it was just not happening because of the people we have right now. I am not 100% sure what's going on out there, but it feels to me like that is what's happening, what Halo is saying -- that he is adjusting stuff to suit the people we have, and maybe doing a few things from last year's defense that guys know and are used to.

10-08-2012, 12:02 PM	#2
nicebush25 lightly scented Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Upstate New York Posts: 142	Re: Defense Gradually getting better The defense has averaged 456 yds/gm Last night they allowed 427, which means they are still ranked 32nd in yards allowed. They did get better with points allowed. Holding the chargers to 24 pts allowed them to move into 29th averaging 30.8 pts/gm

10-08-2012, 12:06 PM	#3
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,039	Re: Defense Gradually getting better Do we care if anyone runs up and down the field... Not much. As long as they are not getting into the endzone I really dont care. I dont look at yards allowed much. I focus more on turnover ratio/ points allowed/ sacks, and 3rd down %.

10-08-2012, 12:37 PM	#4
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,117	Re: Defense Gradually getting better Originally Posted by x626xBlack Do we care if anyone runs up and down the field... Not much. As long as they are not getting into the endzone I really dont care. I dont look at yards allowed much. I focus more on turnover ratio/ points allowed/ sacks, and 3rd down %. This is what I'm talking about. Even though I hate to see opponents gashing us in the middle of the field.

10-08-2012, 03:23 PM	#5
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Defense Gradually getting better Originally Posted by x626xBlack Do we care if anyone runs up and down the field... Not much. As long as they are not getting into the endzone I really dont care. I dont look at yards allowed much. I focus more on turnover ratio/ points allowed/ sacks, and 3rd down %. Yes. We do. Because field position IS important. Shutting someone down, even if only every now and then, has a huge impact on momentum. Our offense can overcome bad field position, but that doesn't mean it isn't important.

10-08-2012, 01:23 PM	#6
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Defense Gradually getting better Nobody has been harder on the defense than me. Last night we gave up, what 354 yards passing? 80 Rushing? Some questionable calls or Rivers would have been OVER 400 yards passing people. That's not good. Still, we were able to get some stops - and some without the help of questionable penalties. "Gradually"? Okay. I'll go with that. Our defense has a LONG way to go, but I'll take "gradually" over nothing at all. My expectations are truly that low these days.

10-08-2012, 01:37 PM	#7
Seer1 Site Donor Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Bayou Bayfield CO Posts: 4,722	Re: Defense Gradually getting better They'd have looked really good without the first down and third and long plays added in. Still plenty of season left though, c'mon D you can do it!

10-08-2012, 01:40 PM	#8
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,039	Re: Defense Gradually getting better Our Red Zone efficiency is 59%. 14th in the league. last year we were a whole 2% better Red Zone scoring attempts per game 4.4 3oth in the league. So we met them get there horribly but stop them better than 1/2 of the league

10-08-2012, 03:16 PM	#9
winmill1 100th Post Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 426	Re: Defense Gradually getting better Spags will figure out whats best and I think that it is Gallette and Wilson on the outside. Jamessr likes this.
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10-08-2012, 03:24 PM	#10
Jamessr 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Newport News, VA Posts: 1,583	Re: Defense Gradually getting better Originally Posted by winmill1 Spags will figure out whats best and I think that it is Gallette and Wilson on the outside. Agreed but what happenes to Smith? Maybe I don't know jack but from his play performance I could care less

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