NFL re-issues bounty disciplineUPDATED

SaintsBro · 10-10-2012, 04:27 PM

"I simply haven't seen it" LOL

Radical · 10-10-2012, 04:28 PM

No, helmet to helmet is not a spear. I suggest you read the rules.

TheOak · 10-10-2012, 04:35 PM

Originally Posted by Radical

No, helmet to helmet is not a spear. I suggest you read the rules.

Any contact where the defender holds his arms to the side and throws his body at someone leading with the helmet is a spear.

Doesn't matter if the penalty was for H2H... He just speared the helmet.

"If a player uses any part of his helmet (including the top/crown and forehead/”hairline” parts) or facemask to butt, spear, or ram an opponent violently or unnecessarily.

Go away please. You are making this way too easy and there is no challenge.

Thank you drive through..

Radical · 10-10-2012, 04:44 PM

A spear is when a player makes initial contact with the crown of the helmet with his arms down. Didn't happen against Jackson, and the only reason it happened to Maclin is because he spun into it and caught it on the chin. I've watched every tackle Dunta has attempted as a Falcon, and when he gets his clean shots, his shoulder is always making first contact as opposed to his helmet.

If you want to play the condescending mud slinging game though, I can play along, and I promise you it will be you guys banning me rather than me leaving out of some sort of embarrassment.

Radical · 10-10-2012, 04:44 PM

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AsylumGuido · 10-10-2012, 04:49 PM

Originally Posted by Radical

A spear is when a player makes initial contact with the crown of the helmet with his arms down. Didn't happen against Jackson, and the only reason it happened to Maclin is because he spun into it and caught it on the chin. I've watched every tackle Dunta has attempted as a Falcon, and when he gets his clean shots, his shoulder is always making first contact as opposed to his helmet.

If you want to play the condescending mud slinging game though, I can play along, and I promise you it will be you guys banning me rather than me leaving out of some sort of embarrassment.

I don't see why you would want to be banned or embarrassed enough to leave. It takes a real fan to stick around no matter what and I know you are a real fan.

And, also, I want to apologize for painting with to broad a brush in your intro thread. My reference to "you" was directed to our AFT membership that is a bit more radical than Radical.

CharityMike · 10-10-2012, 04:57 PM

To expect to come on a Saints board and think you are going to actually change our opinions on the Bounty crap is just futile. You should have never put your 2 cents in it to begin with. You are the enemy. You are not part of our family. You are an outsider probably running back to your other forum laughing about us. So go back to sucking on Godells teet and leave us alone.

Tobias-Reiper · 10-10-2012, 05:13 PM

Originally Posted by Radical

No, helmet to helmet is not a spear. I suggest you read the rules.

Now who's playing with semantics here.
Let me rephrase then:
Dunta Robinson was flagged right after each play for illegal hits on defenseless players, then was heavily fined for his illegal hits on defenseless players, and then your coach went to say "that is how we teach them".

Now, what is the reason hitting a defenseless is illegal? Because of the extreme chance to injure the player. So why would you intentionally hit a defenseless player knowing it is illegal? Obviously to injure him.

So, it logically follows that Coach Mike Smith teaches his players to take illegal hits to defenseless players to intentionally hurt them.

CharityMike · 10-10-2012, 05:19 PM

Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper

Now who's playing with semantics here.
Let me rephrase then:
Dunta Robinson was flagged right after each play for illegal hits on defenseless players, then was heavily fined for his illegal hits on defenseless players, and then your coach went to say "that is how we teach them".

Now, what is the reason hitting a defenseless is illegal? Because of the extreme chance to injure the player. So why would you intentionally hit a defenseless player knowing it is illegal? Obviously to injure him.

So, it logically follows that Coach Mike Smith teaches his players to take illegal hits to defenseless players to intentionally hurt them.

See the problem is we are not the NFL. If Godell came out and said what you did, they would all be crying. But because he is hammering us, it is ok and must be the gospel. Also don't leave out the fact you are talking about someone from his team. It's like in my post above yours, go away falcon fan. Should have known better than to think anyone from that crap fan base would actually be able to see through bull****.

saintfan · 10-10-2012, 05:23 PM

I'm getting in to this 'spearing' discussion late. Couple things:

What 626 quotes is right out of the rule book. There's nothing to argue about there.

Anybody who looks at those videos of Robinson and comes away with something that isn't 'spearing' is either (a) a homer, (b) not very well abreast of the rules, or (c) just plain argumentative.

In my humble opinion on the subject, nothing Williams said is unique to Williams. That's "football language", and that part of what makes this whole thing so preposterous. I've played the game enough to know. Players from around the league have supported that assessment. Hell, there are examples of it even after all the 'bounty' crap, and that is pretty much the end of that.

We all know what Roger is doing. Any reasonable person is well aware of the end game - so much so that even the "reporters" at ESPN have pointed it out in articles posted as recently as today.

Now. A Falcons fan defending Roger's actions on a Saints board is the definition of stupid. Just calling it like I see it.

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10-10-2012, 04:35 PM	#83
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,027	Re: NFL re-issues bounty disciplineUPDATED Originally Posted by Radical No, helmet to helmet is not a spear. I suggest you read the rules. Any contact where the defender holds his arms to the side and throws his body at someone leading with the helmet is a spear. Doesn't matter if the penalty was for H2H... He just speared the helmet. "If a player uses any part of his helmet (including the top/crown and forehead/”hairline” parts) or facemask to butt, spear, or ram an opponent violently or unnecessarily. Go away please. You are making this way too easy and there is no challenge. Thank you drive through.. saintfan likes this.

10-10-2012, 04:44 PM	#84
Radical Falcons Fan Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 148	Re: NFL re-issues bounty disciplineUPDATED A spear is when a player makes initial contact with the crown of the helmet with his arms down. Didn't happen against Jackson, and the only reason it happened to Maclin is because he spun into it and caught it on the chin. I've watched every tackle Dunta has attempted as a Falcon, and when he gets his clean shots, his shoulder is always making first contact as opposed to his helmet. If you want to play the condescending mud slinging game though, I can play along, and I promise you it will be you guys banning me rather than me leaving out of some sort of embarrassment.
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10-10-2012, 04:49 PM	#86
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: NFL re-issues bounty disciplineUPDATED Originally Posted by Radical A spear is when a player makes initial contact with the crown of the helmet with his arms down. Didn't happen against Jackson, and the only reason it happened to Maclin is because he spun into it and caught it on the chin. I've watched every tackle Dunta has attempted as a Falcon, and when he gets his clean shots, his shoulder is always making first contact as opposed to his helmet. If you want to play the condescending mud slinging game though, I can play along, and I promise you it will be you guys banning me rather than me leaving out of some sort of embarrassment. I don't see why you would want to be banned or embarrassed enough to leave. It takes a real fan to stick around no matter what and I know you are a real fan. And, also, I want to apologize for painting with to broad a brush in your intro thread. My reference to "you" was directed to our AFT membership that is a bit more radical than Radical.

10-10-2012, 04:57 PM	#87
CharityMike Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Mid City, New Orleans Posts: 3,556	Re: NFL re-issues bounty disciplineUPDATED To expect to come on a Saints board and think you are going to actually change our opinions on the Bounty crap is just futile. You should have never put your 2 cents in it to begin with. You are the enemy. You are not part of our family. You are an outsider probably running back to your other forum laughing about us. So go back to sucking on Godells teet and leave us alone.

10-10-2012, 05:13 PM	#88
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Re: NFL re-issues bounty disciplineUPDATED Originally Posted by Radical No, helmet to helmet is not a spear. I suggest you read the rules. Now who's playing with semantics here. Let me rephrase then: Dunta Robinson was flagged right after each play for illegal hits on defenseless players, then was heavily fined for his illegal hits on defenseless players, and then your coach went to say "that is how we teach them". Now, what is the reason hitting a defenseless is illegal? Because of the extreme chance to injure the player. So why would you intentionally hit a defenseless player knowing it is illegal? Obviously to injure him. So, it logically follows that Coach Mike Smith teaches his players to take illegal hits to defenseless players to intentionally hurt them. AsylumGuido and SaintsBro like this.
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10-10-2012, 05:19 PM	#89
CharityMike Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Mid City, New Orleans Posts: 3,556	Re: NFL re-issues bounty disciplineUPDATED Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper Now who's playing with semantics here. Let me rephrase then: Dunta Robinson was flagged right after each play for illegal hits on defenseless players, then was heavily fined for his illegal hits on defenseless players, and then your coach went to say "that is how we teach them". Now, what is the reason hitting a defenseless is illegal? Because of the extreme chance to injure the player. So why would you intentionally hit a defenseless player knowing it is illegal? Obviously to injure him. So, it logically follows that Coach Mike Smith teaches his players to take illegal hits to defenseless players to intentionally hurt them. See the problem is we are not the NFL. If Godell came out and said what you did, they would all be crying. But because he is hammering us, it is ok and must be the gospel. Also don't leave out the fact you are talking about someone from his team. It's like in my post above yours, go away falcon fan. Should have known better than to think anyone from that crap fan base would actually be able to see through bull****.

10-10-2012, 05:23 PM	#90
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: NFL re-issues bounty disciplineUPDATED I'm getting in to this 'spearing' discussion late. Couple things: What 626 quotes is right out of the rule book. There's nothing to argue about there. Anybody who looks at those videos of Robinson and comes away with something that isn't 'spearing' is either (a) a homer, (b) not very well abreast of the rules, or (c) just plain argumentative. In my humble opinion on the subject, nothing Williams said is unique to Williams. That's "football language", and that part of what makes this whole thing so preposterous. I've played the game enough to know. Players from around the league have supported that assessment. Hell, there are examples of it even after all the 'bounty' crap, and that is pretty much the end of that. We all know what Roger is doing. Any reasonable person is well aware of the end game - so much so that even the "reporters" at ESPN have pointed it out in articles posted as recently as today. Now. A Falcons fan defending Roger's actions on a Saints board is the definition of stupid. Just calling it like I see it.
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