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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper Now, let me ask you, remember 2010 and the fines Dunta Robinson got for spearing WRs, all illegal hits ? Remember your coach saying "that is how we coach them" when asked about Robinson's hits? What ...

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Old 10-09-2012, 11:57 PM   #1
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Re: NFL re-issues bounty discipline**UPDATED**

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Now, let me ask you, remember 2010 and the fines Dunta Robinson got for spearing WRs, all illegal hits? Remember your coach saying "that is how we coach them" when asked about Robinson's hits? What do you think about that? Is your coach coaching his team to intentionally hurt players? After all, they are coaching players to lay illegal hits...
Dunta Robinson never speared any WR.
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Dunta Robinson never speared any WR.
Here's a video of Dunta Robinson spearing two wide receivers.


Sure looks like he's using this helmet as a weapon to lay out those receivers.

League must've thought so too. They fined him $25,000 for the first one and $40,000 for the second one.

And coach Mike Smith's response to reporters about the hits was "That's the way we teach it"
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Old 10-10-2012, 02:09 AM   #3
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Credibility weakened, Goodell couldn't back down

Jarrett Bell, USA TODAY Sports

Regardless of the league's sloppy investigation, questionable evidence, legal battles and the tremendous hits on Goodell's credibility in recent months, the NFL commissioner could not back down now.
Not after a CBA appeals panel, which forced him to reconsider the previous discipline, upheld his authority to rule based on "conduct detrimental to the game."
WHAT'S NEXT? This is going back to court


Remember when the league announced its findings in March? It said 22 to 27 players were involved. Just four were punished. One day, Vitt's name showed up on the typed transcript of a ledger as one pledging $5,000 for a bounty on Brett Favre. The next day, the league said it was a mistake. That's some typo.

Sloppy. Like the charge by NFL investigators that Hargrove was seen on a video uttering "pay me my money" when Favre was briefly knocked out of the 2009 NFC title game. Turns out, that probably wasn't Hargrove's voice — or least there's no proof.
Then there's the whistle-blower, Mike Cerullo.
The former, low-ranking coaching assistant is viewed with suspicion by the defense because he was fired by the Saints. But he was so crucial to the league's investigation.


The holes in this case did no good for Goodell's reputation. In a recent Gallup poll conducted for USA TODAY Sports, Goodell was the least-liked commissioner among those running the four major pro sports leagues.
But he still has his power to rule in what he deems to be the best interests of the game. While the players grumble about this, shifting some of that authority would have been a deal killer in the last round of labor talks.
Fat chance that power is up for renegotiation now.
Bell: Credibility weakened, Goodell couldn't back down



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Old 10-10-2012, 03:11 PM   #4
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Here's a video of Dunta Robinson spearing two wide receivers.

Dunta Robinson Illegal Helmet To Helmet Hit On Jeremy Maclin Falcons Vs Eagles - YouTube

Sure looks like he's using this helmet as a weapon to lay out those receivers.

League must've thought so too. They fined him $25,000 for the first one and $40,000 for the second one.

And coach Mike Smith's response to reporters about the hits was "That's the way we teach it"
And in neither case, the word spearing didn't come up. In the Jackson hit, it was for hitting a "defenseless" receiver, and in the Maclin case, it was for a helmet to helmet hit and for hitting a defenseless receiver. Against Jackson, it wasn't even a helmet to helmet hit, nor did he makes initial contact with his helmet, so again, it isn't spearing.

And of course, Smith's quote is in reference to hitting "defenseless" receivers, not making helmet to helmet hits, which again only happened on one of those plays.
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And in neither case, the word spearing didn't come up. In the Jackson hit, it was for hitting a "defenseless" receiver, and in the Maclin case, it was for a helmet to helmet hit and for hitting a defenseless receiver. Against Jackson, it wasn't even a helmet to helmet hit, nor did he makes initial contact with his helmet, so again, it isn't spearing.

And of course, Smith's quote is in reference to hitting "defenseless" receivers, not making helmet to helmet hits, which again only happened on one of those plays.
You should just stop. Really... stop.

Helmet to helmet is not a spear? What did he lead with, his coccyx?

Unlike Atlanta fans apparently, we do not need Youtube to define football actions.
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Old 10-10-2012, 03:28 PM   #6
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No, helmet to helmet is not a spear. I suggest you read the rules.
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No, helmet to helmet is not a spear. I suggest you read the rules.
Any contact where the defender holds his arms to the side and throws his body at someone leading with the helmet is a spear.

Doesn't matter if the penalty was for H2H... He just speared the helmet.

"If a player uses any part of his helmet (including the top/crown and forehead/”hairline” parts) or facemask to butt, spear, or ram an opponent violently or unnecessarily.

Go away please. You are making this way too easy and there is no challenge.

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No, helmet to helmet is not a spear. I suggest you read the rules.
Now who's playing with semantics here.
Let me rephrase then:
Dunta Robinson was flagged right after each play for illegal hits on defenseless players, then was heavily fined for his illegal hits on defenseless players, and then your coach went to say "that is how we teach them".

Now, what is the reason hitting a defenseless is illegal? Because of the extreme chance to injure the player. So why would you intentionally hit a defenseless player knowing it is illegal? Obviously to injure him.

So, it logically follows that Coach Mike Smith teaches his players to take illegal hits to defenseless players to intentionally hurt them.
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Now who's playing with semantics here.
Let me rephrase then:
Dunta Robinson was flagged right after each play for illegal hits on defenseless players, then was heavily fined for his illegal hits on defenseless players, and then your coach went to say "that is how we teach them".

Now, what is the reason hitting a defenseless is illegal? Because of the extreme chance to injure the player. So why would you intentionally hit a defenseless player knowing it is illegal? Obviously to injure him.

So, it logically follows that Coach Mike Smith teaches his players to take illegal hits to defenseless players to intentionally hurt them.

See the problem is we are not the NFL. If Godell came out and said what you did, they would all be crying. But because he is hammering us, it is ok and must be the gospel. Also don't leave out the fact you are talking about someone from his team. It's like in my post above yours, go away falcon fan. Should have known better than to think anyone from that crap fan base would actually be able to see through bull****.
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Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper View Post
Now who's playing with semantics here.
Let me rephrase then:
Dunta Robinson was flagged right after each play for illegal hits on defenseless players, then was heavily fined for his illegal hits on defenseless players, and then your coach went to say "that is how we teach them".

Now, what is the reason hitting a defenseless is illegal? Because of the extreme chance to injure the player. So why would you intentionally hit a defenseless player knowing it is illegal? Obviously to injure him.

So, it logically follows that Coach Mike Smith teaches his players to take illegal hits to defenseless players to intentionally hurt them.
So, Rad, it is pretty hard to argue that logic since it is exactly the same logic you are trying to use against the Saints.

But, give it a try. Seriously.
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