NFL re-issues bounty disciplineUPDATED

Radical · 10-10-2012, 03:11 PM

Originally Posted by Utah_Saint

Here's a video of Dunta Robinson spearing two wide receivers.

Dunta Robinson Illegal Helmet To Helmet Hit On Jeremy Maclin Falcons Vs Eagles - YouTube

Sure looks like he's using this helmet as a weapon to lay out those receivers.

League must've thought so too. They fined him $25,000 for the first one and $40,000 for the second one.

And coach Mike Smith's response to reporters about the hits was "That's the way we teach it"

And in neither case, the word spearing didn't come up. In the Jackson hit, it was for hitting a "defenseless" receiver, and in the Maclin case, it was for a helmet to helmet hit and for hitting a defenseless receiver. Against Jackson, it wasn't even a helmet to helmet hit, nor did he makes initial contact with his helmet, so again, it isn't spearing.

And of course, Smith's quote is in reference to hitting "defenseless" receivers, not making helmet to helmet hits, which again only happened on one of those plays.

TheOak · 10-10-2012, 03:22 PM

Originally Posted by Radical

And in neither case, the word spearing didn't come up. In the Jackson hit, it was for hitting a "defenseless" receiver, and in the Maclin case, it was for a helmet to helmet hit and for hitting a defenseless receiver. Against Jackson, it wasn't even a helmet to helmet hit, nor did he makes initial contact with his helmet, so again, it isn't spearing.

And of course, Smith's quote is in reference to hitting "defenseless" receivers, not making helmet to helmet hits, which again only happened on one of those plays.

You should just stop. Really... stop.

Helmet to helmet is not a spear? What did he lead with, his coccyx?

Unlike Atlanta fans apparently, we do not need Youtube to define football actions.

Radical · 10-10-2012, 03:28 PM

No, helmet to helmet is not a spear. I suggest you read the rules.

TheOak · 10-10-2012, 03:35 PM

Originally Posted by Radical

No, helmet to helmet is not a spear. I suggest you read the rules.

Any contact where the defender holds his arms to the side and throws his body at someone leading with the helmet is a spear.

Doesn't matter if the penalty was for H2H... He just speared the helmet.

"If a player uses any part of his helmet (including the top/crown and forehead/”hairline” parts) or facemask to butt, spear, or ram an opponent violently or unnecessarily.

Go away please. You are making this way too easy and there is no challenge.

Thank you drive through..

Tobias-Reiper · 10-10-2012, 04:13 PM

Originally Posted by Radical

No, helmet to helmet is not a spear. I suggest you read the rules.

Now who's playing with semantics here.
Let me rephrase then:
Dunta Robinson was flagged right after each play for illegal hits on defenseless players, then was heavily fined for his illegal hits on defenseless players, and then your coach went to say "that is how we teach them".

Now, what is the reason hitting a defenseless is illegal? Because of the extreme chance to injure the player. So why would you intentionally hit a defenseless player knowing it is illegal? Obviously to injure him.

So, it logically follows that Coach Mike Smith teaches his players to take illegal hits to defenseless players to intentionally hurt them.

CharityMike · 10-10-2012, 04:19 PM

Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper

Now who's playing with semantics here.
Let me rephrase then:
Dunta Robinson was flagged right after each play for illegal hits on defenseless players, then was heavily fined for his illegal hits on defenseless players, and then your coach went to say "that is how we teach them".

Now, what is the reason hitting a defenseless is illegal? Because of the extreme chance to injure the player. So why would you intentionally hit a defenseless player knowing it is illegal? Obviously to injure him.

So, it logically follows that Coach Mike Smith teaches his players to take illegal hits to defenseless players to intentionally hurt them.

See the problem is we are not the NFL. If Godell came out and said what you did, they would all be crying. But because he is hammering us, it is ok and must be the gospel. Also don't leave out the fact you are talking about someone from his team. It's like in my post above yours, go away falcon fan. Should have known better than to think anyone from that crap fan base would actually be able to see through bull****.

AsylumGuido · 10-10-2012, 04:29 PM

Originally Posted by CharityMike

See the problem is we are not the NFL. If Godell came out and said what you did, they would all be crying. But because he is hammering us, it is ok and must be the gospel. Also don't leave out the fact you are talking about someone from his team. It's like in my post above yours, go away falcon fan. Should have known better than to think anyone from that crap fan base would actually be able to see through bull****.

Heck, no! I don't ever want to see Rad go away. I honestly feel it improves the quality of a board to have differing opinions and outside input. As long as the member remains within the rules he/she should be allowed.

CharityMike · 10-10-2012, 04:45 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Heck, no! I don't ever want to see Rad go away. I honestly feel it improves the quality of a board to have differing opinions and outside input. As long as the member remains within the rules he/she should be allowed.

It improves the quality of the board when we are talking football. This is not football. This is a crime that is happening to our team. We have all kinda folks on this board from other teams but none of them are stupid enough to come on here and challenge us on a topic that is very personal. I don't expect many to understand our love affair with our team. Coming on here and insulting our intelligence isn't going to make me all warm and fuzzy. Some people need to learn there place. You wanna talk about us and our team negatively, go to smack talk. Don't come in here preaching the bible of a dictator, it don't go over well.

Radical · 10-10-2012, 07:29 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Heck, no! I don't ever want to see Rad go away. I honestly feel it improves the quality of a board to have differing opinions and outside input. As long as the member remains within the rules he/she should be allowed.

I don't think people are going to look past the fact that I'm a Falcons fan when I post. I'm sure they all think I'm some Georgia hillbilly that's laughing maniacally and twiddling my fingers together as the whole thing unfolds, simply because it's happening to the Saints. My views wouldn't be any different if it was us, you guys, the Steelers, the Cardinals, etc.

AsylumGuido · 10-10-2012, 04:25 PM

Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper

Now who's playing with semantics here.
Let me rephrase then:
Dunta Robinson was flagged right after each play for illegal hits on defenseless players, then was heavily fined for his illegal hits on defenseless players, and then your coach went to say "that is how we teach them".

Now, what is the reason hitting a defenseless is illegal? Because of the extreme chance to injure the player. So why would you intentionally hit a defenseless player knowing it is illegal? Obviously to injure him.

So, it logically follows that Coach Mike Smith teaches his players to take illegal hits to defenseless players to intentionally hurt them.

So, Rad, it is pretty hard to argue that logic since it is exactly the same logic you are trying to use against the Saints.

But, give it a try. Seriously.

10-10-2012, 03:11 PM	#1
Radical Falcons Fan Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 148	Re: NFL re-issues bounty disciplineUPDATED Originally Posted by Utah_Saint Here's a video of Dunta Robinson spearing two wide receivers. Dunta Robinson Illegal Helmet To Helmet Hit On Jeremy Maclin Falcons Vs Eagles - YouTube Sure looks like he's using this helmet as a weapon to lay out those receivers. League must've thought so too. They fined him $25,000 for the first one and $40,000 for the second one. And coach Mike Smith's response to reporters about the hits was "That's the way we teach it" And in neither case, the word spearing didn't come up. In the Jackson hit, it was for hitting a "defenseless" receiver, and in the Maclin case, it was for a helmet to helmet hit and for hitting a defenseless receiver. Against Jackson, it wasn't even a helmet to helmet hit, nor did he makes initial contact with his helmet, so again, it isn't spearing. And of course, Smith's quote is in reference to hitting "defenseless" receivers, not making helmet to helmet hits, which again only happened on one of those plays.
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10-10-2012, 03:22 PM	#2
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,047	Re: NFL re-issues bounty disciplineUPDATED Originally Posted by Radical And in neither case, the word spearing didn't come up. In the Jackson hit, it was for hitting a "defenseless" receiver, and in the Maclin case, it was for a helmet to helmet hit and for hitting a defenseless receiver. Against Jackson, it wasn't even a helmet to helmet hit, nor did he makes initial contact with his helmet, so again, it isn't spearing. And of course, Smith's quote is in reference to hitting "defenseless" receivers, not making helmet to helmet hits, which again only happened on one of those plays. You should just stop. Really... stop. Helmet to helmet is not a spear? What did he lead with, his coccyx? Unlike Atlanta fans apparently, we do not need Youtube to define football actions.

10-10-2012, 03:28 PM	#3
Radical Falcons Fan Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 148	Re: NFL re-issues bounty disciplineUPDATED No, helmet to helmet is not a spear. I suggest you read the rules.
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10-10-2012, 03:35 PM	#4
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,047	Re: NFL re-issues bounty disciplineUPDATED Originally Posted by Radical No, helmet to helmet is not a spear. I suggest you read the rules. Any contact where the defender holds his arms to the side and throws his body at someone leading with the helmet is a spear. Doesn't matter if the penalty was for H2H... He just speared the helmet. "If a player uses any part of his helmet (including the top/crown and forehead/”hairline” parts) or facemask to butt, spear, or ram an opponent violently or unnecessarily. Go away please. You are making this way too easy and there is no challenge. Thank you drive through.. saintfan likes this.

10-10-2012, 04:13 PM	#5
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Re: NFL re-issues bounty disciplineUPDATED Originally Posted by Radical No, helmet to helmet is not a spear. I suggest you read the rules. Now who's playing with semantics here. Let me rephrase then: Dunta Robinson was flagged right after each play for illegal hits on defenseless players, then was heavily fined for his illegal hits on defenseless players, and then your coach went to say "that is how we teach them". Now, what is the reason hitting a defenseless is illegal? Because of the extreme chance to injure the player. So why would you intentionally hit a defenseless player knowing it is illegal? Obviously to injure him. So, it logically follows that Coach Mike Smith teaches his players to take illegal hits to defenseless players to intentionally hurt them. AsylumGuido and SaintsBro like this.
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10-10-2012, 04:19 PM	#6
CharityMike Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Mid City, New Orleans Posts: 3,556	Re: NFL re-issues bounty disciplineUPDATED Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper Now who's playing with semantics here. Let me rephrase then: Dunta Robinson was flagged right after each play for illegal hits on defenseless players, then was heavily fined for his illegal hits on defenseless players, and then your coach went to say "that is how we teach them". Now, what is the reason hitting a defenseless is illegal? Because of the extreme chance to injure the player. So why would you intentionally hit a defenseless player knowing it is illegal? Obviously to injure him. So, it logically follows that Coach Mike Smith teaches his players to take illegal hits to defenseless players to intentionally hurt them. See the problem is we are not the NFL. If Godell came out and said what you did, they would all be crying. But because he is hammering us, it is ok and must be the gospel. Also don't leave out the fact you are talking about someone from his team. It's like in my post above yours, go away falcon fan. Should have known better than to think anyone from that crap fan base would actually be able to see through bull****.

10-10-2012, 04:29 PM	#7
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: NFL re-issues bounty disciplineUPDATED Originally Posted by CharityMike See the problem is we are not the NFL. If Godell came out and said what you did, they would all be crying. But because he is hammering us, it is ok and must be the gospel. Also don't leave out the fact you are talking about someone from his team. It's like in my post above yours, go away falcon fan. Should have known better than to think anyone from that crap fan base would actually be able to see through bull****. Heck, no! I don't ever want to see Rad go away. I honestly feel it improves the quality of a board to have differing opinions and outside input. As long as the member remains within the rules he/she should be allowed.

10-10-2012, 04:45 PM	#8
CharityMike Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Mid City, New Orleans Posts: 3,556	Re: NFL re-issues bounty disciplineUPDATED Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Heck, no! I don't ever want to see Rad go away. I honestly feel it improves the quality of a board to have differing opinions and outside input. As long as the member remains within the rules he/she should be allowed. It improves the quality of the board when we are talking football. This is not football. This is a crime that is happening to our team. We have all kinda folks on this board from other teams but none of them are stupid enough to come on here and challenge us on a topic that is very personal. I don't expect many to understand our love affair with our team. Coming on here and insulting our intelligence isn't going to make me all warm and fuzzy. Some people need to learn there place. You wanna talk about us and our team negatively, go to smack talk. Don't come in here preaching the bible of a dictator, it don't go over well. onebyone likes this.

10-10-2012, 07:29 PM	#9
Radical Falcons Fan Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 148	Re: NFL re-issues bounty disciplineUPDATED Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Heck, no! I don't ever want to see Rad go away. I honestly feel it improves the quality of a board to have differing opinions and outside input. As long as the member remains within the rules he/she should be allowed. I don't think people are going to look past the fact that I'm a Falcons fan when I post. I'm sure they all think I'm some Georgia hillbilly that's laughing maniacally and twiddling my fingers together as the whole thing unfolds, simply because it's happening to the Saints. My views wouldn't be any different if it was us, you guys, the Steelers, the Cardinals, etc.
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10-10-2012, 04:25 PM	#10
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: NFL re-issues bounty disciplineUPDATED Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper Now who's playing with semantics here. Let me rephrase then: Dunta Robinson was flagged right after each play for illegal hits on defenseless players, then was heavily fined for his illegal hits on defenseless players, and then your coach went to say "that is how we teach them". Now, what is the reason hitting a defenseless is illegal? Because of the extreme chance to injure the player. So why would you intentionally hit a defenseless player knowing it is illegal? Obviously to injure him. So, it logically follows that Coach Mike Smith teaches his players to take illegal hits to defenseless players to intentionally hurt them. So, Rad, it is pretty hard to argue that logic since it is exactly the same logic you are trying to use against the Saints. But, give it a try. Seriously.

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